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Re:Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on? by Karrot_Kream on Friday August 26, 2022 @04:13PM (#32612222)
Educational games are not the same as "gamification" as an incentive structure, and I also think you're being very prescriptive of your own research style. I knew several academics in my PhD that thrived off being able to publish papers in better conferences, faster, etc than their peers. Also there's a pretty strong niche of puzzle game solvers (think the MIT Puzzle Hunts) that love thinking through problems in gamified ways.

Educational games are just games that also teach fun things along the way. I grew up playing the Carmen Sandiego games and it sparked a lifelong interest in history. When I got to college I took a bunch of history classes and even did a bit of undergrad research in it (well "history" is an incredibly broad topic and not something you research, but rather focusing on a topic that I was interested in) on the side. Think interactive fiction games exploring historical settings or works of literature. Games with some light math-based puzzling.

I don't think high level academic work can ever be taught through a game, but students feel the freedom to explore high level concepts when they are comfortable and confident with low level concepts, something that games can bring across better than the underpaid, overworked teacher in a lot of schools.

Re:Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on? by charleshan on Friday August 26, 2022 @06:00PM (#32613227)
This comment reminds me of Status as a Service by Eugene Wei.

"Some people find status games distasteful. Despite this, everyone I know is engaged in multiple status games. Some people sneer at people hashtag spamming on Instagram, but then retweet praise on Twitter. Others roll their eyes at photo albums of expensive meals on Facebook but then submit research papers to prestigious journals in the hopes of being published. Parents show off photos of their children performances at recitals, people preen in the mirror while assessing their outfits, employees flex on their peers in meetings, entrepreneurs complain about 30 under 30 lists while wishing to be on them, reporters check the Techmeme leaderboards; life is nothing if not a nested series of status contests."

Re:Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on? by darepublic on Friday August 26, 2022 @06:16PM (#32613376)
Some status games are better than others. ie when the game requires some common good to be performed, or the mastery of a useful skill. Some status games reward things that only drag us down
Re:Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on? by rwnspace on Friday August 26, 2022 @07:02PM (#32613735)
As an aside, when people point out virtue signalling (I'm taking it as an analogue of status games) without adding some analysis my first assumption is that they are virtue-signalling to put others down or make others seem shallow (or themselves deep). The cornerstone of western morality is Jesus and he was quite the "virtue signaller". Point being that the observation on it's own is uninteresting without saying something about the context or consequences of a behaviour. There aren't many things that are /purely/ virtue signals (or status games) and those that are, are quite obvious.
Re:Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on? by barrysteve on Sunday August 28, 2022 @01:06AM (#32625933)
Jesus spoke about humility and dying for your beliefs, which he did. Martyrs don't need to signal their virtue (or social status), they do the virtous thing.

Status is a public display of desireability. It doesn't have much to do with virtue, but everyone wants it anyway.

Don't blend those two concepts, they are separate. People who make a public display and performance out of their virtues, 'virtue signallers' miss the point. You do it in humility before God.

People who don't show off their status, get little benefit out of it.

Re:Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on? by davidivadavid on Friday August 26, 2022 @11:21PM (#32615314)
But what's "common good" and a "useful skill" itself is defined by a status game.
Re:Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on? by TigeriusKirk on Friday August 26, 2022 @06:39PM (#32613560)
The selection of which status games to play is itself a status game.
Re:Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on? by patch_cable on Saturday August 27, 2022 @12:46AM (#32615801)
It’s possible to do none of those things.
Re:Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on? by oefnak on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:07AM (#32616898)
I do none of those things.