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Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by hash872 on Friday August 26, 2022 @09:22AM (#32607155)
My new anti-spam tactic is to duplicate Gmail's 'bounce/address not found' response and respond with that. Believing that your email address isn't valid, they'll stop spamming you (bounces affect deliverability) and also probably not sell your data. If you just hit unsubscribe, now they've validated your email so they can sell it
Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by SCdF on Friday August 26, 2022 @09:47AM (#32607471)
To build on what culi said, marking as spam actually sends information out to various validators, and will increased the chance at that sender will be automatically marked as spam for everybody else, and so is absolutely worth doing (though it will also send an unsubscribe, if you're worried about that)
Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by MerelyMortal on Friday August 26, 2022 @10:53AM (#32608300)
Doesn't gmail offer the choice of "marking as spam" or "marking as spam and unsubscribing"? I always just choose "mark as spam".
Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by SCdF on Friday August 26, 2022 @11:06AM (#32608475)
I have the old UI maybe? Or the new one? I can't keep up...

I just have a "Report Spam" icon, with no choice to differentiate between the two.

Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by sowbug on Friday August 26, 2022 @11:15AM (#32608603)
It's an interactive prompt once you press the spam button. Whether it appears depends on whether the system identifies an unsubscribe link in the mail.
Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by noirbot on Friday August 26, 2022 @11:38AM (#32608893)
I'm always worried that the spammer just uses "unsubscribe" as a sign that the email actually got through the spam filter and a human saw it?

Aside, I've been having a TON of very similar spam emails getting through Google's spam filter, and even marking them as spam doesn't seem to do anything. It's been going on for months at this point. I'm close to just closing that Gmail account because I have no idea what to do about getting close to 10 spam emails per day straight into my inbox in a way Google seemingly can't fix.

It's super obvious spam too. "tHe IRs hs a REFUND for u" level stuff.

Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by James-Livesey on Friday August 26, 2022 @11:37AM (#32608876)
Wouldn't it be better for Google to have a "mark as spam and delete future emails" option? That way, your inbox stays clean, spammers have wasted some credit for whatever email marketing service they use on an email that will never be read, and eventually spamming would become futile since emails will be deleted on reception.
Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by zxcvbn4038 on Friday August 26, 2022 @09:54AM (#32607551)
I'm pretty sure they don't care if your address is valid or not, they will sell it anyway.

My grandfather has been dead for over thirty years now, he still gets junk mail, his data is still on all the people finder sites.

Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by aliqot on Friday August 26, 2022 @10:11AM (#32607798)
That's not what valid means in this context.
Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by zxcvbn4038 on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:39PM (#32610518)
Is that you Transunion?
Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by aliqot on Friday August 26, 2022 @06:08PM (#32613299)
That depends, what's your DOB, last 4 and mother's maiden name?
Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by culi on Friday August 26, 2022 @09:43AM (#32607419)
Probably better to just "Mark as spam" if you have Gmail. If enough people do that Google will start marking those emails as spam by default

Helps everyone else too

Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by Sohcahtoa82 on Friday August 26, 2022 @11:46AM (#32608971)
I'm not sure e-mail selling is as rife as it used to be.

Starting in 2003 and up until 2016, I used a catch-all e-mail address and would sign up for everything using a custom e-mail address. I wouldn't even do in the form of "[email protected]", I'd just do "[email protected]".

The only spam e-mails I got that were e-mail addresses I used were from a couple shady cryptocurrency mining pools, a forum that got hacked, and the e-mail address I used on USENET. I also got spam sent to <random hex digits>@mydomain and lots of <two random dictionary words>@mydomain.

Knowing how much spam came from my USENET e-mail address (which I eventually changed and black-holed), I wonder how many spammers are scraping usernames from reddit and just spamming [email protected].

Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by notwhereyouare on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:09PM (#32609242)
there was a thread the other day that people felt that wasn't a good indicator. Because people might take the list from say adobe, and filter out anything with adobe in the email
Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by jbverschoor on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:29PM (#32609515)
Hello, my name is Adobe Meta Apple Netflix Amazon Microsoft. How may I help you?
Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by Sohcahtoa82 on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:02PM (#32610067)
If they filtered out "adobe" then all that would be left is "@mydomain.com", which isn't a valid e-mail address.
Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by HypnoDrone on Friday August 26, 2022 @10:51AM (#32608275)
This is what mailinabox does (https://mailinabox.email/) to combat spam and it has worked remarkably well. In the few years I've been running my own mail server I have received ZERO spam in my inbox.

For more info, the technique is called greylisting https://postgrey.schweikert.ch/

Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by codethief on Friday August 26, 2022 @11:01AM (#32608408)
Ehh, but this is not greylisting? Greylisting temporarily rejects an email and requests the sender try again after a while.
Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by zhfliz on Friday August 26, 2022 @11:01AM (#32608409)
greylisting is not the same.

greylisting is responding with a temp error under the assumption that most spam won't retry on temp errors, which isn't the case for most spam anymore.

real bounces are permanent errors.

Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by stevekemp on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:33PM (#32609587)
Greylisting is one of those techniques I always loved, as it was so simple and logical.

As you say these days spammers will retry, but its an approach that still has value, because in the period between the initial delivery-attempt (which is rejected) and the final one (where it would be attempted) it is more likely that the sender has already appeared on DNS-based blocklists.

Re:Tell HN: Spammed by a Hacker News Enthusiast by hda111 on Friday August 26, 2022 @02:15PM (#32610899)
But there is also the problem that some people don’t want to wait multiple minutes or hours for an email, like password reset emails. I see too many disadvantages.