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Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Silverback_VII on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:04AM (#32592099)
These movies are nice but when I watch them, I have the feeling that I am not truly a man because a man has no time to watch children movies ...

Therefore to avoid that my self-image takes a hit I do not watch them anymore.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by tokai on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:06AM (#32592103)
>I have the feeling that I am not truly a man because a man has no time to watch children movies

Paradoxically that's a very childish thought.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by anjbe on Thursday August 25, 2022 @03:48PM (#32599080)
“Critics who treat ‘adult’ as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

—C.S. Lewis

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Silverback_VII on Thursday August 25, 2022 @05:12PM (#32600020)
Sounds like rationalization of his own passion for content aimed at children. As a writer and intellectual he certainly could shot back with heavy bullets at those who questioned his own mental maturity. But the question remains.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by barrysteve on Thursday August 25, 2022 @10:23PM (#32602662)
The majority of popular films have content both children and adults can enjoy. Mass market appeal is where the money is.

If the child-like moments of the show are sticking out to you, okay, maybe try to find the bigger picture in the story.

Complaining that you have to conform to what some girls find attractive (or what other guys say girls find attractive), is no criticism of the film.

If you want to otaku/weeb out on some niche anime, go find some uwu girl who likes that stuff.

I don't understand this view that every woman has to like everything you're into and be attracted to it. You're going to get into some stuff that fluxuates your 'attractivity' metric and it's just part of your life.

Pulling apart a motorcycle engine and spreading broken parts across the front lawn isn't so flash, but by golly, gee-willikers, it's going to happen if I want it to.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Silverback_VII on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:19AM (#32592187)
Well, I'm not the only one thinking this way. Your attractivity will go below zero if you mention that you like some anime movie. Any sucess will never be because of it but despite of it.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by sunaurus on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:27AM (#32592786)
You're right that you're not the only one - this way of thinking is common, it's known as "fragile masculinity". As you've found, if you worry too much about people with very fragile masculinity, you won't be able to enjoy things you want to enjoy. I think it makes sense to just not worry about these people.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by mandmandam on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:39AM (#32592910)
If a particular lady doesn't like you because you enjoy a Ghibli movie, there's a good chance you're not long term compatible.

> Any sucess will never be because of it but despite of it.

Success is what - pulling? ... Or finding a partner who likes you for who you are?

Anyway, liking the things you like, regardless of others opinion, is an attractive trait (as long as you're not harming people).

Similarly, being deceptive is very unattractive; and more importantly, deeply bad for you.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Silverback_VII on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:01AM (#32593139)
>Similarly, being deceptive is very unattractive; and more importantly, deeply bad for you.

On the contrary. The ability to be deceptive, to wear more than one mask, is an evolutionary advantage in my opinion and highly attractive even if people will never admit it because it's socially unacceptable.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by mandmandam on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:10AM (#32593238)
Pfft. A five year old can be deceptive. A dog can be deceptive. Deception is easy, and often the easy way out. Being honest is hard - but it's worth it.

You only get one life. If you spend it lying to everyone, you'll end up not even learning who you are.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Silverback_VII on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:11PM (#32596753)
People with the built-in social surveillance software called "conscience" have a hard time to be deceptive without feeling bad about themselves. For most people it's way easier to be honest.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by adrianN on Thursday August 25, 2022 @10:44AM (#32594336)
Not being deceptive is also an evolutionary advantage because people can trust you and you earn a position of respect in your group. Evolutionary psychology is popsci trash, you can invent just-so stories for any number of claims using it.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Aeolun on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:19AM (#32593330)
> Your attractivity will go below zero if you mention that you like some anime movie.

Watch the movie together first, then mention you like it after. Your attractivity will go through the roof.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by PurpleRamen on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:30AM (#32593443)
Anime is a very broad genre, aiming at small kids, teenager to young adults; and since some decades more and more also older adults. Ghibli for example is more family-orientated than just children. So it highly depends on which anime you enjoy and for what reasons, and what you make of it. Comparable here are Harry Potter-, Marvel- or Star Wars-Movies. Nobody would say liking these makes you unattractive, but most people would also not say it makes you attractive (fans of those franchises/genre are the obvious exception).

The actual thing is, you probably got it the wrong way. Not anime makes you unattractive, the lack of anything attractive makes you unattractive.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by serf on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:27AM (#32592787)
"a man" isn't defined by their 'attractivity' -- an entirely subjective thing.

as for what does make a man, go ask Socrates.

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Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by loriverkutya on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:06AM (#32593194)
> Watching anime signals to a woman that you that you lack some important qualities.

I wonder how much this is true if you are Japanese.

Also, one of the most manly man I've ever known was watching anime and have been pretty open about it with people and as far as I'm concerned nobody was thinking about him to be too much of a dreamer.

I recommend stop visiting incel forums/reddits/PUA sites and figure out a way to build your confidence as a person.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by greggman3 on Thursday August 25, 2022 @04:22PM (#32599490)
It's the same in Japan (15yrs in Japan)

That is not to say you can't find people of both sexes into anime. But, when I've asked at parties, unless it's specifically a nerd party, 19 out of 20 times people say they don't watch.

Back in the USA, at least at my age, it's frustrating being on the dating sites, in particular OkCupid, which has the questions "Would you date a comic book geek?". If I filter on that question it goes from thousands of people to just 3 in a 50 mile radius of SF. This dispite the fact that many famous people, especially famous movie and TV series directors are comic book geeks. Maybe the wording "geek" is enough to influence the result.

Another interesting one is "Would you enjoy a night playing video games". Just 2 women. This dispite the fact that the gaming industry says 45% of gamers are women. Either that stat is BS or else all the gaming women are in relationships.

Another one I find even more alarming and makes it feel like something fishy is going on "Do you like to wear a costume for Halloween?", just 3 women. But go to any Halloween party and it's fully mixed and seeing the Spirit costume shops all over the place someone is buying these costumes. Again one guess is that the people fun enough to wear a costume are not on the site.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Silverback_VII on Thursday August 25, 2022 @05:25PM (#32600142)
Women have very sofisticated reasons for filtering out some attributes. I think you see the reality - geek women(since on OkCupid) would prefer to have a man which is not into this kind of stuff. There must be some strong evolutionary reasons for it to be the way it is.

Nobody wants to hear it obviously since my internet points on this site are approaching 0.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Silverback_VII on Thursday August 25, 2022 @10:53AM (#32594447)
I have a woman and a child so this is not valid reproach.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Jtsummers on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:28AM (#32595019)
Would she leave you for watching anime? That's a very fragile relationship already, if so.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by the_af on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:46AM (#32593645)
> Watching anime signals to a woman that you that you lack some important qualities.

The vast number of couples I've seen enjoy watching anime together -- some are total anime fans -- would indicate your statement is false.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by wrycoder on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:13PM (#32602168)
Yeah, there's anime and then there's Miyazaki. My wife and I love to watch his films.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by mcphage on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:18AM (#32593321)
> Watching anime signals to a woman that you that you lack some important qualities.

Either you need to meet better women, or—and this is more likely—you need to meet any woman. There are plenty of women who enjoy anime, and would be happy to share what they enjoy with their partner.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by the_only_law on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:34AM (#32593507)
> Watching anime signals to a woman that you that you lack some important qualities.

As does crying about it on random websites.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by lotyrin on Thursday August 25, 2022 @05:03PM (#32599914)
I would never be in a relationship with a man who couldn't find time to enjoy these films with me or couldn't find something to love in them. Neither would any of my current or past partners or close friends, I don't think.

These aren't anime bullshit with misogynistic crap, complicated giant robot plot-mechanisms that nobody can bother to follow, pedophilic male gaze crap, untranslatable humor, or the other things that plague a lot of Japanese comics and animation, they're quite accessible pieces of relatively pure art. The worst thing they have going for them is a mild obsession with themes of aviation, and some somewhat preachy subtextual political views (nature and harmony and people good, industry and violence and authority bad, mkay).

If you can't bring yourself to appreciate the art in them even a little, I would frankly question your emotional intelligence.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by adrianN on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:23AM (#32592742)
I like to rewatch the Ghibli movies with my wife from time to time.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Silverback_VII on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:04AM (#32593170)
Ask her what she thinks when she sees the reflection of an anime on your eyes and demand an honest answer.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by mcphage on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:22AM (#32593363)
...are you for real?!
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by bdowling on Thursday August 25, 2022 @05:10PM (#32599992)
He’s trolling and/or role-playing an extremely sexually insecure character.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by mcphage on Thursday August 25, 2022 @06:00PM (#32600483)
People have really weird hobbies.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by tootie on Thursday August 25, 2022 @10:48AM (#32594393)
I've watched all of these over and over with my wife.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by fleetwoodsnack on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:41AM (#32592348)
Cite your sources.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by probably_wrong on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:59AM (#32592523)
I disagree with the parent comment for other reasons, but I would grant him that saying "I like anime" is seen (injustly, IMHO) as a turn-off.

I quickly looked in Google Scholar and found this paper titled "Pale and Geeky: Prevailing Stereotypes of Anime Fans", and I quote:

> The social distance items suggest that anime fans are indeed stigmatized. For example, non-fans indicated a willingness to interact with anime fans at a distance (e.g., neighbor, coworker), but did not wish for an anime fan to hold political power (e.g., governor) or be allowed into one’s personal life (e.g., relationship partner, roommate).

[1] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Stephen-Reysen/publicat...

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by N3cr0ph4g1st on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:06AM (#32592572)
Anime has entered the mainstream for a while now, idk what you're talking about. You see the number of NBA stars saying they love anime? There's a video just a few days ago of wiggs talking about demon slayer, a ton of players love Naruto, etc. Don't act like a dweeb and anime isn't the turn off it once was.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by fleetwoodsnack on Thursday August 25, 2022 @08:08AM (#32592593)
Appreciated, but this is the first sentence in your citation:

> We examined the content of anime fan stereotypes in a sample of non-fans (N = 146). Self-identified non-fans of anime wrote about a prototypical anime fan and rated the prototype’s personality their desired social distance from the prototype.

I think we can both see where conclusions drawn here might fail. Replace any human characteristic and have non-fans of that characteristic respond, and you’re likely to get similar results.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Aeolun on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:27AM (#32593412)
I think that’s more the statement ‘I like anime’ without context?

If you already see the person in front of you is not a pasty white nerd the statement doesn’t make as much of sn impression.

In which case the problem is really being a pasty white nerd.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by d3fault on Friday August 26, 2022 @08:59AM (#32606849)
I've only skimmed some the paper, but does it distinguish between _types_ of anime fans?

I think the people the non-fans are probably thinking of are more likely "weeaboos", or people who are so obsessed with Japanese culture that they completely reject their own (the ones in really cringey videos). However, there are so many more people now that are either more open to the medium or just openly enjoy it but aren't really as visible - I'd love to see a reproduction of this test with this distinguishing factor.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by siegecraft on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:01AM (#32593144)
There's a type of man that has plenty of time to watch children's movies: a father. (Or you could just watch them because you enjoy them and not worry about what people think).
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Silverback_VII on Thursday August 25, 2022 @10:56AM (#32594490)
>not worry about what people think

it's not about what others think of me. It is about what I think of myself.

Watching this kind of stuff sends the wrong signal to one's subconscious ... that one is still a "child"... and this will show up in one way or the other in one's interaction with other people.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by xsmasher on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:16AM (#32594809)
You've taken on someone else's idea of what a man is and what a man does. You're the adult now, you get to decide what that means.

https://xkcd.com/150/

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by Silverback_VII on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:18PM (#32596865)
Well it maybe true to some degree and I'm all for being the best version of oneself. But many factors influence what a "man" is and one of them is the opposite sex.

it's already not so attractive to watch TV and even less attractive to watch anime or other children stuff on it.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by skyyler on Thursday August 25, 2022 @03:54PM (#32599157)
What it really comes down to is that you're too weak to be yourself.

This might hurt to hear, but you're a coward if you let gender roles stop you from enjoying something.

I sincerely recommend reading some theory on gender. Gender Trouble by Judith Butler is a surprisingly approachable introduction to the subject, despite not being written as such.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by xsmasher on Thursday August 25, 2022 @02:49PM (#32598224)
The "opposite sex" isn't a monolithic bloc.

You could police your identity to make yourself attractive to someone that you need to hide yourself from for the rest of your life, but it's a tremendous waste of energy. Find yourself an anime girlfriend.

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by echelon on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:16AM (#32592166)
When you die, you won't be a man any longer. In fact, much of your constituent matter wasn't and won't be human for the duration of the universe.

So why care about being a man or any particular thing at all? Experience the universe in its rich fullness while you're still able. You're already dead in the limit [1]. Nobody's left to judge you.

([1] You can also use this perspective to shut down your experiences prematurely, but pro tip: don't. That's a minimization of potential.)

Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by seemack on Thursday August 25, 2022 @01:09PM (#32596725)
The saddest thing about this dismal comment is that you likely judge others negatively based on shallow opinions like this. I sincerely hope you are not in any position of authority over anyone.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by parentoftoddler on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:42AM (#32595267)
Maybe you should go to the gym and lift heavy weights, do BJJ, or excel at some other sport. I don’t care at all what others think about my anime habit.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by js2 on Thursday August 25, 2022 @11:38AM (#32595208)
Trapped in a prison of your own imagination.
Re:The great Miyazaki watch of 2022 by TheRealNGenius on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:36AM (#32605111)
Lol, these are nort children movies