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Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by colechristensen on Monday August 22, 2022 @03:49AM (#32548523)
But you can also say the opposite: handouts increase inequality and poverty.

Who is going to suffer because of the enormous covid handouts and subsequent inflation?

It was nice while it happened but a lot of rich people really benefited and a lot of poor people are going to go through the worst consequences of inflation and recession.

Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by tpxl on Monday August 22, 2022 @08:18AM (#32550305)
> Who is going to suffer because of the enormous covid handouts and subsequent inflation?

Don't know how it played where you live, but in my country, most covid handouts went to the rich, not to the poor.

1. Cash was given to companies they could then give to the people, instead of straight to the people.

2. Cheap/free loans were given to companies/rich people, not poor people, because poor people can't pay off loans so nobody gives them any.

The insane stock market profits were the result of this - rich people getting excess money. If it went to the poor people, they'd buy food and shelter, not stonks.

Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by colechristensen on Monday August 22, 2022 @11:13AM (#32552597)
In the US 1 & 2 happened in a big way certainly, but there were also large direct payments to people below a certain income along with significantly bumping up unemployment benefits (to the extent that many were making more unemployed than they were when they had jobs)
Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by greedo on Monday August 22, 2022 @06:09PM (#32557934)
The amount of fraud in the PPP program alone might be north of $80B. And the fraud in the other programs isn't inconsequential either. "large direct payments" is a joke, right? $2500 for a family? That's about one month's income for people who had lost their jobs. And many states decided not to extend their unemployment, or to limit it drastically because business interests started to complain about not being able to find enough wage slaves.
Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by remram on Monday August 22, 2022 @04:24PM (#32556718)
How large?
Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by asdff on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @02:29AM (#32561161)
It was only like $1200 for individuals.
Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by colechristensen on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @02:40PM (#32569256)
More for families, many state programs which added to this, hundreds of billions of federal funding to states for responses.

And much expanded unemployment payments, +$600 and +$300 *weekly on top of normal unemployment for long periods, as well as significantly expanded eligibility for who could get it and for how long.

Plenty of people made more money unemployed for significant amounts of time than they did with their jobs pre-pandemic.

Something like 10% of the population was on unemployment for a good while.

Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by asdff on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:20PM (#32569960)
The people making more money from unemployment were not high wage earners to begin with. They were struggling to bet by. Look at this breakdown of the sorts of jobs that recieved more in benefits than wages and those that didn't. Skilled labor like nursing saw less earnings even with the CARES act under unemployment. The people who saw substantial gains were in fields like food service, not known to be a field that lets you get by in most high cost of living areas as it is.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/many-americans-are-gett...

Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by clcaev on Monday August 22, 2022 @05:09PM (#32557304)
One can so see how pandemic unemployment and other direct payments also substantially benefited existing businesses by not having demand for their goods and services drop, causing a cash crunch in otherwise healthy businesses.
Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by ZeroGravitas on Monday August 22, 2022 @05:46AM (#32549323)
> But you can also say the opposite: handouts increase inequality and poverty.

They didn't say anything that would let you conclude either of those things in the article, one they said the exact opposite of. Not read the whole paper yet though.

Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by ArnoVW on Monday August 22, 2022 @04:09AM (#32548648)
Even if I also have a hunch that your attribution of inflation to handouts is true, I do not believe that it has been established.

What is clear however, that increased prices for labor, wheat and energy, combined with post-covid logistics issues, have very clearly increased consumer pricing.

Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by colechristensen on Monday August 22, 2022 @11:15AM (#32552620)
Inflation is due to the amount of money (over $10 trillion? hard to find a solid number that doesn't end in bickering about small details) created by the US Federal Reserve, in no small part in order to pay for handouts to people in businesses.
Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by chongli on Monday August 22, 2022 @04:51AM (#32548939)
handouts increase inequality and poverty.

Or perhaps another way to say it is this: cash doesn’t matter. It’s all about capital. If you want to reduce inequality, give the poor some capital. Unfortunately, I think they’ll likely sell their capital to buy food or pay rent.

Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by piva00 on Monday August 22, 2022 @05:17AM (#32549119)
Capital is only valuable when your basic needs are met. If shelter, food, energy and transportation costs creep into you every week it's just logical you'd trade some capital for cash to meet those needs...
Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by chongli on Monday August 22, 2022 @05:20AM (#32549148)
Yes, and unfortunately we’ve built a society where home owners have all the power to ratchet up shelter and transportation costs for everyone else.
Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by pessimizer on Monday August 22, 2022 @08:13AM (#32550263)
And homeowners are increasingly becoming massive companies rather than individuals. That's going to end up being feudalism, right? The ownership of these companies is going to be passed down through families.
Re:How do cash transfers impact the people who don’t receive... by imtringued on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:03AM (#32561418)
We use handouts to prevent revolutions and political instability. You don't recognize the absolutely massive benefits that those payments have to everyone because they get to ignore the poor.