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Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by KennyBlanken on Sunday August 21, 2022 @06:55PM (#32545319)
Or, and hear me out: we could cut our military budget (which is larger than the next ten or so countries combined, both total and per capita) and start tipping the corporate tax share back towards the ~%50 it was sixty years ago and magically be able to:

* pay teachers a fair wage

* hire enough teachers, assistants, and admins so that teachers don't have to work at least another half a workday 'off the books'

* fund schools well enough that teachers don't have to pay out of pocket for basic supplies like chalk and paper

* feed our children a proper meal at lunch by default, instead of making them pay for a crappy meal (unless their busy parents jump through hoops to prove they're poor enough)

One of the strangest things for me as a private school student coming from the public school system was being able to go into the lunch line, get what food I wanted, as much as I wanted, and not have to pay for it. No worries about losing the lunch money I'd been given, getting beat up for my lunch money, etc.

Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by briHass on Sunday August 21, 2022 @08:22PM (#32545875)
Why is it always about more money?

The US is usually in the top 3 spending per student (beaten only by small countries that represent statistical outliers like Norway or Luxemburg), so really, it spends the most. Yet, as many are quick to point out, all that money results in educational outcomes well below many European countries and also many Asian countries that spend far, far less.

Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by ryandrake on Sunday August 21, 2022 @08:35PM (#32545945)
The money is largely not going to teacher salaries, classroom supplies, or to anything that affects "educational outcomes".
Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by briHass on Sunday August 21, 2022 @09:16PM (#32546223)
So you claim.

Luckily, this is researched extensively, and schools must publish budgets. Typically, spending on 'instruction' is >60% of the expenditures, almost all of that is salaries and benefits. Capital outlay is usually around 8-10%, support services and administration around 10%, operations and maintenance around 10%, and around 5% for transportation/bussing.

Contrary to the typical claims that 'administration' or capital costs suck up all the money, the majority of the money does go to teachers' salary.

Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by nine_k on Sunday August 21, 2022 @10:02PM (#32546509)
The US is just a pretty expensive country. The cost of labor (highly correlated with wages) is pretty high compared to Europe even outside the coastal cities. Maybe not 4x though.

It would also be interesting to compare educational outcomes in particular US states to particular European countries. I suppose that the quality of education may be as unevenly distributed across the US as it is across Europe.

Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by midoridensha on Sunday August 21, 2022 @08:56PM (#32546088)
The US also spends something like 4x as much for a major construction project than other rich nations like UK or Germany.
Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by 0xFEEDC0DE on Sunday August 21, 2022 @08:12PM (#32545819)
Ah yes the ol' "Let's just cut the military budget" position.

Teachers salaries are 100% a local issue. If you want to raise their salary then vote to increase taxes in your county. Teachers are state employees. The states governments are more than capable enough to solve these issues since they are local issues.

Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by bryondowd on Sunday August 21, 2022 @11:36PM (#32547035)
To be fair, state and local governments would have to increase the total tax burden on their populace to increase education funding, or makes cuts to other things in their domain. The federal government could certainly cut the military budget and grant those funds to state or local education programs, without increasing anyone's tax burden.

That said, my understanding is that the military budget mostly goes to salaries, so any drastic cuts would leave us with massive unemployment. You'd have to take things really slow to make that big a change in the labor force without pretty ugly side effects.

Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by galaxyLogic on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @01:19PM (#32568055)
And don't forget, military needs teachers as much as anybody. When there's no war soldiers are on stand-by. What do they do? They train, which is really a form of education. They could learn many things besides how to use weapons. They could learn how to be teachers when they are ready to leave the military. :-)
Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by midoridensha on Sunday August 21, 2022 @08:55PM (#32546079)
>Or, and hear me out: we could cut our military budget (which is larger than the next ten or so countries combined, both total and per capita)

No, it's not. Russia, Israel, and Saudi Arabia all spend more as a percentage of GDP on their militaries than America.

Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by SamBam on Sunday August 21, 2022 @10:20PM (#32546600)
How can you say "No, it's not," when OP provided a very clear definition of how they're measuring ("both total and per capita") and you provided a completely different one ("as a percentage of GDP").
Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by midoridensha on Monday August 22, 2022 @12:29AM (#32547346)
When America isn't even near the top of spending-per-GDP, there's no way it's higher than all the other countries combined in per-capita spending.
Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by dhosek on Monday August 22, 2022 @12:23PM (#32553643)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_...

>USA's military spending in 2021 hit $801bn a year, says the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. In comparison Russia's military spending in 2021 hit only $66bn.

US population: 329.5 million, Russian population: 144.1 million,

Per capita spending US: $24,600. Russia: $458

While I’m at it: US GDP: 20.94 trillion, 1.483 trillion

US military spending as percent of GDP: 3.8%, Russia: 4.5%

Now you can see how there is a way.

Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by dhosek on Monday August 22, 2022 @03:09PM (#32555793)
And “not near the top of spending per GDP” is not really an accurate assessment. From this data https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/defense-s... we can see that the countries with higher spending per GDP fall into one or more of the following categories:

- smaller, poorer countries

- countries involved in active military conflicts or with active military conflicts near them

- petrostates

Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by SamBam on Monday August 22, 2022 @02:15PM (#32555105)
This is simply a math fail, or not recognizing that the combined GDP of "Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia" doesn't even come close to the GDP of the United States.
Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by galaxyLogic on Sunday August 21, 2022 @07:33PM (#32545577)
I'm not familiar with US Private vs. Public schools so which one requires you to pay for the lunch?

In many countries in Europe there are only public schools.

Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by cwmma on Sunday August 21, 2022 @07:54PM (#32545715)
A public school in America (but not in England) is a state run school which may or may not have free lunches (it's often income related), Private schools are ones you pay to go to and tend to charge for food or order out for food.
Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by dhosek on Monday August 22, 2022 @12:29PM (#32553720)
It’s not often income-related, it’s always income-related. All public schools offer free/reduced price lunches and even schools in high-income areas will have some small number of students who qualify:

https://high-schools.com/directory/ca/cities/beverly-hills/b...

Although, after googling highest-income school district in the US, not all school districts do:

https://high-schools.com/directory/ny/school-districts/scars...

Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by cwmma on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @11:58AM (#32566864)
I would have said that but for the email I recently got informing me that all students were getting free lunchs in my son's district. I think it's a covid related state program maybe?
Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by vmilner on Monday August 22, 2022 @05:22AM (#32549166)
I’m not saying you’re wrong but it surprises me that there are many countries in Europe with no (or even very few) private schools - are you thinking of Former soviet bloc countries?
Re:Nobody wants to teach anymore by cruano on Sunday August 21, 2022 @07:40PM (#32545630)
> fund schools well enough that teachers don't have to pay out of pocket for basic supplies like chalk and paper

You mean funding the vacation plans of all the administration ?