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Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by megablast on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @07:57PM (#32490649)
What a strange comment.

Ford is a us tech company.

Most people in Europe don’t want to leave.

Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by ceeplusplus on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @08:59PM (#32491018)
> Most people in Europe don’t want to leave

Sure, but most people aren't skilled white collar tech workers with in demand skills who could be earning 3x post-tax salary in the US.

Health insurance is essentially free or cheap at any good tech company. EU pensions are underfunded (just like US ones) and as a high paid tech worker you're better off with maxing your 401k anyways.

If you look at the nationalities in any top US MS/PhD/MBA program, you'll find it's about 40% European, far above what undergraduate programs look like. That shows quite a few skilled workers in Europe want to leave.

If you are an unskilled worker, Europe is better as long as they can continue to sustain their social programs by taxing high earners and having defense be subsidized by the US. If too many high earners leave or the US becomes unwilling to pay for bases all across Europe, the whole system collapses pretty quickly.

Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by oceanplexian on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @09:35PM (#32491254)
Half the people I work with are from Western Europe and they won’t waste any time to take a dig at our lack of social safety net.

However, the thing I’d be worried about in their position, is, if the safety net is actually a sustainable project in a time of declining economic growth. They’re extrapolating on 30 or 40 years worth of data and if you’re retiring in 30 or 40 years a lot can change. Look what’s happened with the austerity crisis, something EU folks usually don’t want to talk about. Personally I’d want to manage my own retirement and risk tolerance.

Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by barrenko on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @05:26AM (#32494071)
The US is also funding medical research of most kind.
Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by jakewins on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @08:14PM (#32490765)
I’ve spent the last decade working with very good EU engineers. If I wrote a list of the top 50 people I’ve come across in EU, I would estimate 45 of them now work remote for US companies or have moved to the US.

Anecdotal, but at least that’s my experience.

Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by jonnybgood on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @08:02PM (#32490685)
Ford is not a tech company.

> Most people in Europe don’t want to leave.

I believe they're saying if European tech companies want to compete in business with US tech companies they need to pay their engineers more money.

Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by jbay808 on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @08:19PM (#32490800)
> Ford is not a tech company.

By what standard?

Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by jonathankoren on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @09:49PM (#32491347)
Software is not their primary business.
Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by chrisseaton on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @10:33PM (#32491634)
If you mean ‘software company’ then say that - software isn’t the only form of technology - drive trains are also technology.
Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by jbay808 on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @11:11PM (#32491870)
Is SpaceX a tech company?
Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by speed_spread on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @08:22PM (#32490819)
> Ford is not a tech company.

By their CEO's own admission, Ford sees itself as a "data company":

https://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/06/ceo-mark-fields-ford-dat...

Their software chops are certainly dubious, but there is no questioning their intent when it comes to entering the surveillance economy.

Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by IncRnd on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @09:46PM (#32491327)
> By their CEO's own admission, Ford sees itself as a "data company":

The linked article quotes the CEO, "Overall, when you look at our business, we're not only a car manufacturing company. We are a technology company. As our vehicles become part of the Internet of things and as consumers give permission to us to collect that data, we'll also become an information company."

That's marketing related to the IoT buzzword. Next week they might talk about using blockchain. The other part of the statement is that they are a "data company," because they can sell information about their customers.

The words from the CEO are the same words from a data analyst, but they each mean something entirely different.

Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by rkagerer on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @09:22PM (#32491166)
Ford sees itself as a "data company"

What a disaster. I wish they would focus on simply making good cars.

Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by colinmhayes on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @12:29AM (#32492366)
Margins for car companies are shit. Why would anyone invest in a race to the bottom high marginal cost company when differentiated zero marginal cost companies exist? And what if we just told everyone we were the latter?
Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by hef19898 on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @02:19AM (#32492926)
Worked for Tesla so far.
Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by speed_spread on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @12:07AM (#32492216)
Ironically, Ford stopped selling the Focus and all other passenger cars (except the Mach-E) in the USA after 2018.
Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by jonathankoren on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @09:52PM (#32491362)
> By their CEO's own admission, Ford sees itself as a "data company"

What does this even mean? They don’t sell access to data. Oh! They use data to make business decisions? Well, welcome to 2004.

Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by speed_spread on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @12:17AM (#32492288)
It means they figured that monetizing the data they collect on people driving their cars will bring them more cash than selling the cars themselves. The same way electronics manufacturer have doubled their profits on "smart" TV sets over a few years by feeding advertisers knowledge about what you're watching, and when, so you can be targeted more precisely in future ad campaigns.

Have you heard of those small companies called Google and Facebook? Care to compare their market cap with Ford's lately? Do you really think they're worth that much because of their quick web search and easy friend-finding?

Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by rdtwo on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @10:59PM (#32491796)
lol silly why would you think they use data to make business choices. They make the choices then make data to justify said choices. That’s how legacy companies do it
Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by spaniard89277 on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @04:35AM (#32493824)
We don't want to leave but you can bet american companies have it easy fishing here. It's increasingly common for american companies to set small teams around here.

The only problem american companies have is dealing with the workers rights around here.

Re:Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer by systemvoltage on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @08:37PM (#32490900)
I worked in a tech company in US and it was full of PhDs from Europe. I'd say as much as 30% PhDs were Europeans.