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Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by rlawson on Monday August 15, 2022 @08:28AM (#32468809)
Let me give you the scoop on the Carolina's. I'm a developer living in the upstate of SC. I am an agnostic liberal which makes me a rarity but I was born here so I can go under the radar thanks to my deep melodious southern accent.

Pros

  - Great climate 10 out of 12 months
  - Friendly people
  - Lots of outdoor activities
  - Beautiful beaches (Fripp Island and Kiawah especially)
  - Low cost housing (altho going up rapidly)
  - Greenville and Charleston are very nice
Cons

  - Heart of MAGA land (this may be a pro depending on your politics)
  - First question is about what church you go to
  - Can still be shockingly racist at times (altho getting much better)
  - Weak zoning so sprawling construction and walkable areas limited
  - Food choices can be limited for vegans/vegetarians
  - July/August - the heat and humidity are rough
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by 12many on Monday August 15, 2022 @09:26AM (#32469371)
"friendly people" but also "hateful racist trumpers"? Well which is it?
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by JeremyNT on Monday August 15, 2022 @10:41AM (#32470286)
> "friendly people" but also "hateful racist trumpers"? Well which is it?

Another native Carolinian chiming in here (from NC, but similar).

These people are friendly if you "pass" as one of them. Be white, wear a trucker cap, don't dress up too fancy, use a southern accent (or at least, don't talk too pretty), don't be gay, don't say a damn thing about politics or religion. Don't drive a Prius or something. You're good to go. If you are careful enough they might even occasionally start confiding in you, and expect you to agree with them, about their casually racist views. If you reach this point, you can get by with just not saying anything, and the conversation will usually evolve to other less difficult matters.

You can violate these rules, of course, but you need to be able to "pass" by compensating in other ways. So if you do wear a suit and drive a Tesla, you could make up for it if you have a good southern accent or go to church or proudly espouse your conservative values in some other way (carry a sidearm, maybe).

Also, my people will sometimes act nice to you even if they hate you. If you're here a while you will learn to recognize it. Southern "hospitality" is incredibly superficial - there's a thin veneer. If you don't look too closely, and you don't care too much about what they really think of you (because really, they're mostly harmless - unless you need something from them), you will be OK.

... unless you have kids. Please don't send kids to public schools in the rural white south if you or they are even vaguely progressive.

Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by Akronymus on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @06:24AM (#32481106)
Imagine if a racist republican texan moved into your neighbourhood because his choices of policies resulted in the decline of his neighbourhood. And he keeps voting for those same policies. Wouldn't you be reserved or even hostile to that person?
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by nus07 on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:20PM (#32471636)
You do have similar folks in rural Oregon or rural Idaho too . Have you been to Klamath Falls, OR ? If you do have to compare you would probably make a direct comparison to say Athens, GA or Research Triangle, NC . IMO this country already has a huge divide between rural and urban populations no matter which state you are in. Educated college towns are the hidden gems for anyone looking to escape 1m dollar Bay Area houses.
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by ryandrake on Monday August 15, 2022 @01:47PM (#32472896)
OP's rules of thumb are pretty broadly applicable in a great many rural, small-town regions of the USA. If you're politically progressive, you can still pass as a local and blend in if you adopt a few mannerisms and if you're willing to ignore/dodge a lot of questionable conversation material. The only thing you can't really fake is your skin color.
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by throwaway_4ever on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @02:34AM (#32479811)
> Also, my people will sometimes act nice to you even if they hate you. If you're here a while you will learn to recognize it.

"Bless your heart"

Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by whoknew1122 on Monday August 15, 2022 @10:54AM (#32470455)
You could've been describing Texas, too.
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by 12many on Monday August 15, 2022 @02:31PM (#32473482)
>"if you 'pass' as one them.."

From my point of view you just described the left.

Dressing in a suit and tie is not a rarity in the south or rural areas. Being gay isn't some attribute that qualifies for special treatment just because of your sexual preference. Politics also isn't some defining feature, and is WAY too publicized in today's culture. Why does it matter what someone's political view points are? Does that make them less than you, and are they really racist or is it because you don't agree? Because conservatives think democrats are racist for implying POCs aren't capable of doing things themselves. Maybe southern hospitality is superficial in some southerners but at least its some kind of hospitality, have you been to any major city? They'll let you bleed out before calling for help.

Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by MisterMower on Monday August 15, 2022 @11:44PM (#32478978)
On the one hand, everybody commenting on this post is touting their newly adopted off-the-beaten-path rural-ish community. On the other hand, everyone who lives there is basically a closet racist and homophobe. Which is it?
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by JeremyNT on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @12:01PM (#32484649)
If you actually want a more conservative culture - as, I'm sure, many of the HN crowd who intend to flee the Bay Area do - these communities will be especially appealing. One person's negative is another's positive.

I really do want to emphasize how polite rural people can be to your face while shit talking you behind your back, though. The idyllic and friendly "country folk" lifestyle is really bullshit. I grew up in such a community and we would smile and "yes sir" all day long to people's faces then talk total trash about them the second they walk away.

If you don't look too close and you don't care to make friends with them, you won't notice. Some fancy city liberal who moves in and minds their own business is unlikely to have any direct conflict, while still eliciting a massive amount of gossip and vitriol "under the hood."

An introverted HN programmer, working from home and staying out of the way, may only ever notice the good. But if you really want to be "part of" a community like this - as in, having real friends there - you will see a different side of things.

Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by strikelaserclaw on Monday August 15, 2022 @09:40AM (#32469531)
I mean, by large most people in most places in USA are friendly/neutral, since most of the people in SC are conservative, the brand of hate you get from the crazies is of the trump/maga/racist flavor. Where as in liberal areas, you'd probably get a different sort of hate.
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by ziddoap on Monday August 15, 2022 @09:40AM (#32469527)
I imagine they are referring to different people, not one single person who is both.
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by Naritai on Monday August 15, 2022 @02:28PM (#32473442)
More like 'friendly to perceived in-group, not friendly to perceived outsiders'
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by antifa on Monday August 15, 2022 @10:19AM (#32469989)
I looked up the stats of SC and noticed that more than one person lives there.
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by the_only_law on Monday August 15, 2022 @11:50PM (#32479009)
In my experience, the south is caricaturized and somewhat overblown, both the good parts and the bad parts.
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by garciasn on Monday August 15, 2022 @09:45AM (#32469609)
Live in Minnesota. Plenty of liberals, but 'friendly' Minnesotans are not. I vacation every year on Hilton Head in South Carolina--although, with many transplants and vacationers from what I assume are wealthy liberal areas, it's not anywhere near a haven for political cultists. That said, the people are GENUINELY more friendly and will strike up active conversation, want to hang out again, etc; whereas, in Minnesota, it's incredibly difficult to talk with someone more than about the weather.

That's what they mean, I'd assume.

Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by paxys on Monday August 15, 2022 @10:34AM (#32470200)
Why can't it be both?
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by gee_totes on Monday August 15, 2022 @02:14PM (#32473262)
You fool! I'm moved to Cola from Seattle three years ago and absolutely love it. I see more and more people moving to South Carolina every day. We need to shut the door behind us before too many people come here!

In Seattle there was an attitude called K.B.O. which stands for Keep the Bastards Out. It mostly means when talking to outsiders, you should complain about the rain so they don't get any ideas about moving there.

We need to develop a KBO for the Carolinas. Greenville has an absolutely disgusting downtown, with an ugly gross river going through it and a rickety pedestrian bridge that is bound to kill someone. The tech industry is absolutely drying up and I'm getting ready to become a hog farmer.

Big /s

Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by rlawson on Monday August 15, 2022 @03:25PM (#32474118)
:)
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by mynameishere on Monday August 15, 2022 @09:13AM (#32469229)
Pretty standard answer. "It's great except for those Leftover-Americans."
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by rlawson on Monday August 15, 2022 @01:00PM (#32472257)
Well I was born here and have lived here almost my entire life of 50+ years. So I feel pretty qualified to have an opinion on the South.
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by MisterMower on Monday August 15, 2022 @11:46PM (#32478988)
Nothing has changed in 50+ years?
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by amoghs on Monday August 15, 2022 @08:40AM (#32468921)
Curious, do you actively hide your agnostic liberal views?
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by rlawson on Monday August 15, 2022 @08:44AM (#32468955)
I don't lie if directly asked but I don't volunteer unless I know the person. Have definitely been told I'm going to hell, etc
Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by oceanplexian on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @10:38AM (#32483329)
I mean, you change them. A big part of politics is contextual to where you live, and rural people have different problems than people in cities and suburbs.

You might still be a liberal but the type of liberal that lives in, say rural New England is vastly different than a California liberal. They are going to be much more practical. Demonizing cars like you might in a big city makes no sense in a place that will never get public transportation. Social services, especially things like public housing aren’t high on list of needs or wants. Public (K-12) education is a majority of tax dollars, for cultural reasons and a stigma against people who are uneducated. And so on. Different parts of the USA will have totally different value systems.

Re:Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote w... by UncleMeat on Monday August 15, 2022 @08:47AM (#32468984)
My parents are retired in SC. Other than "no guns at our house" they hide their liberal views and end up finding left wing friends through weird whisper networks. The huge majority of their friends and neighbors are red (they live in a very white and quite wealthy area).