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Re:We are entering a new world of collective action by smt88 on Sunday August 14, 2022 @02:08AM (#32456828)
"The Establishment" must be behind everything by some tailored definition of it.

No matter what the movement is, if it's large, then there will be some large corporations, governments, etc. behind it.

That doesn't mean it's fake or it's not grassroots or it's not real. It just means that it's big enough that the constituents of The Establishment (CEOs, elected officials, corporate workers, etc.) are joining it as well.

Re:We are entering a new world of collective action by sexy_panda on Sunday August 14, 2022 @04:26AM (#32457515)
Yeah right? I never get it when people talk about "the establishment".

Just as if some shadow organisation is behind everything someone doesn't like.

The world is changing, people. Like it or not.

Re:We are entering a new world of collective action by aaaaaaaaata on Sunday August 14, 2022 @09:51AM (#32459243)
There are many Establishments scattered around, and they are all seeing their power disintegrate slowly, yes.
Re:We are entering a new world of collective action by smt88 on Sunday August 14, 2022 @10:42AM (#32459636)
It's easy to make vague, unsubstantiated statements when you don't define anything.

Most establishments are gaining power. Right-wing authoritarianism is taking over governments in the US, India, and Poland. We are in a new Gilded Age, where people like Elon Musk can openly commit crimes without punishment and Peter Thiel can select Senate candidates. The CCP is gaining power and big banks are buying up cryptocurrency.

The only failing establishment I know of is organized religion, and even then, Islam and Christian fundamentalism are doing just fine.

Re:We are entering a new world of collective action by throw__away7391 on Sunday August 14, 2022 @01:45PM (#32461261)
"The Establishment" is obviously not what I'm referring to, and doesn't really exist as such.

The supposed examples of grassroots level action are being organized/directed and inspired by people already in positions of influence in traditional establishments. That's not too surprising I suppose.

There's an unspoken implication here that'd I'll make explicit: the supposed goals of these movements are not the true motivations of the people most responsible for driving them. They serve the hidden interests of the groups pushing them first and foremost.

Re:We are entering a new world of collective action by smt88 on Sunday August 14, 2022 @02:50PM (#32461801)
Again, that's all too vague. It's impossible to debate whether it's true or not. Please give specific examples.