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Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by cassepipe on Friday August 12, 2022 @05:40PM (#32444253)
Can you elaborate ? What's wrong with cans ? If they're aren't just aliminum what are they coated with on the inside ? How would tetrapak fare better ?
Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by exhilaration on Friday August 12, 2022 @06:12PM (#32444579)
It has changed now but, "For decades, most canned food manufacturers used can linings made of epoxy resin based on bisphenol A, or BPA, making food the primary route of our exposure to this toxic chemical." From here: https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/bpa-update-tracking-c...
Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by elil17 on Friday August 12, 2022 @06:32PM (#32444754)
BPA is still used widely. BPB is sometimes used as a substitute but it’s probably just as bad.
Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by MengerSponge on Friday August 12, 2022 @06:48PM (#32444887)
For people who care: thermopaper receipts are absolutely loaded with BPA. Cashiers have measurably higher serum BPA levels, because they touch them all day long.

I generally don't take or touch receipts if I can avoid it, but I don't treat them like they're radioactive. The dose makes the poison, and I haven't figured out how to completely eliminate them and still function in society.

Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by trafficante on Friday August 12, 2022 @07:38PM (#32445261)
With the initial Covid protocols training everybody into becoming constant receptacles for hand sanitizer, thermal receipt paper is probably worth being concerned about at this point.

Using hand sanitizer increases the absorption rate of BPA and other chemicals by a factor of 100 or more - https://www.newsweek.com/hand-sanitizer-speed-absorption-bpa...

Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by 6510 on Friday August 12, 2022 @11:45PM (#32446706)
printing with ink is not madly expensive. Thermal paper should just be banned. Its a ridiculous product anyway the way it just goes blank long before the warranty expires.

https://www.digitalcheck.com/receipts-thermal-ink-costs/ > There’s one other small difference that’s become important in the battle between thermal and ink: the use of company logos on receipts. As it turns out, this is a key factor in the cost of paper, and tips the break-even point in favor of thermal if you want your receipts to have a distinctive look. Ordinarily, plain receipt paper can be had for as little as 40 cents per 150-foot roll, while thermal paper comes in longer rolls (220 or 230 feet) that cost around 80 cents – so you get 25-30% more paper for your dollar with the standard variety.

Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by bornfreddy on Saturday August 13, 2022 @03:51AM (#32447784)
> Its a ridiculous product anyway the way it just goes blank long before the warranty expires.

This might be another reason why companies use it. No receipt, no warranty associated costs.

We usually photograph such receipts so that we can print them if needed. But it's annoying.

Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by 6510 on Sunday August 14, 2022 @01:47AM (#32456742)
Besides killing the customer, how is using magic ink even legal?
Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by rootw0rm on Saturday August 13, 2022 @02:52AM (#32447522)
as a random aside...sanitizer reacts instantly with thermal paper, darkening the paper
Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by exhilaration on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:58PM (#32472235)
BPA-free thermal paper is available and some chains have switched. For example: Costco warehouses in the U.S. and Canada have changed their receipt paper so that it is phenol-free. This means it does not contain Bisphenol A (BPA) and Bisphenol S (BPS), which have been linked to human health concerns. - https://www.costco.com/sustainability-chemical-management.ht...
Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by MengerSponge on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @05:06PM (#32488921)
Cool! I just learned about this: https://www.pca.state.mn.us/green-chemistry/bpa-thermal-pape...

Because my consumer-grade fingertips don't run mass spec, I'm going to continue not touching receipts as much as possible. Hopefully some people who read this have a connection to a company that issues printed receipts.

Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by bb88 on Friday August 12, 2022 @10:05PM (#32446272)
link?
Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by MengerSponge on Sunday August 14, 2022 @05:17PM (#32463007)
Search: cashier serum bpa

Example study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4927604/

Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by bb88 on Sunday August 14, 2022 @08:38PM (#32464560)
Amazing. Thanks.
Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by elil17 on Friday August 12, 2022 @06:31PM (#32444748)
They have an epoxy coating with on the inside which contains BPA or BPA substitutes like BPB. Tetrapaks have a polyethylene liner and polyethylene and typically doesn’t have plasticizers added.
Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by robryk on Friday August 12, 2022 @07:50PM (#32445355)
Do you know why the two plastics are different? I would naively expect that everything that would work as the inner layer in tetrapak would also work in cans (cans deform less). Is it that making the layer stick to tetrapak is simpler/different than making it stick to metal?
Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by jfim on Friday August 12, 2022 @11:21PM (#32446605)
I'm not a material scientist, but the two are constructed very differently.

Tetrapaks are laminated, meaning that various layers of solid materials are glued together. Think of it as a sticker on something.

For cans, the epoxy is a liquid coating that's applied by spraying or roller coating, more like paint.

Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by coryrc on Friday August 12, 2022 @11:32PM (#32446640)
And, for the cans, it then cures in place. The BPA is like a catalyst and doesn't bind with the material, which is what allows it to leach out so well.

Polyethylene, in addition to being a safer molecule, uses catalysts which don't end up in the final product, which means you can't be exposed to them.

Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by smohare on Saturday August 13, 2022 @01:01AM (#32447067)
“Leach out so well”. Sounds like you never read the studies around how it leaches, lol.
Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by discordance on Friday August 12, 2022 @10:17PM (#32446335)
Aluminum cans are lined with plastic -

https://youtu.be/xBQEnVR7y9k

Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by smohare on Saturday August 13, 2022 @01:01AM (#32447069)
For good reason. Fucking troll.
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Re:Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware ... by TheSpiceIsLife on Friday August 12, 2022 @08:21PM (#32445564)
Food cans are made of steel, only drink cans are made of aluminium.