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Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by p1esk on Friday August 12, 2022 @02:37AM (#32435272)
Pretty sure I’d be happier if I didn’t have to work for a living.
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by gtirloni on Friday August 12, 2022 @03:13AM (#32435470)
I really like to work and the area I've chosen. What makes it annoying is that I have to work on what upper management thinks is important at any given time. They want me to design a high level software architecture now but I want to code. Next week they want me to code but I want to design. It very rarely aligns. If ever. That annoys me and probably causes management a great deal of anxiety when I go off path. It feels so childish of me. I'm looking for soutions to hack this situation like the hedonic threadmill, in case anyone has suggestions.
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by mxuribe on Friday August 12, 2022 @09:52AM (#32438653)
> I really like to work and the area I've chosen. What makes it annoying is that I have to work on what upper management thinks is important at any given time... ...That annoys me and probably causes management a great deal of anxiety when I go off path. It feels so childish of me..."

OMG, for a moment there i thought you were reading my mind! I've struggled professionally the last few years on this very topic. The only partial solution that i can think of - so far only as an experiment - is to minimize my cost of living, start to slowly partially retire, and move towards being a contract coder - either for corporate gigs or as a sub-contractor for other dev contractors. I figure being a coder (and likely lower level coder, not being like an engineering manager or anything like that anymore), might also allow me the freedom to work remotely, meaning that i can travel a slight bit more. And working in this fashion might give me the freedom to move onto another project/contract if/when i get bored of a particular project and/or client. Its an experiment to be sure...but frankly, that's the only thing that i can think of that might help me. I hope this helps! Happy to discuss more if you have private feedback. (My email is in my profile.)

EDIT: I failed to add that one element that is somewhat holding me back from fully diving into this mode of working right now is (what i feel is) one of the biggest hurdles to entrepreneurial freedom in America: being able to reasonably afford good, solid healthcare. (This is not meant to be political, just adding it in as another cost of living....and for myself, its not a trivial cost.)

Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by danielheath on Friday August 12, 2022 @03:17AM (#32435485)
It sounds like you don't have the autonomy you think you should - which often comes from the responsibilities being misaligned (presumably management are responsible for some delivery dates which leads them to feel they should be telling you what to work on).
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by nonrandomstring on Friday August 12, 2022 @04:28AM (#32435866)
> It feels so childish of me.

It is. "Capitalism is for children" said Adam Phillips [1]

You cannot be a fully fledged adult, a self-determined being, under conditions of wage slavery.

Education is set up not to allow graceful separation into adulthood, as most cultures have historically done, but to transfer dependency to a new set of masters.

Late capitalism in particular, with its intrusive lack of boundaries, neurotic management, measurement, bureaucracy and surveillance, or any similar state-controlled apparatus such as in China, is, as that line in "The Matrix" goes - a prison for your mind.

Philosophers criticised the Church (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) as "patently infantile family values" to keep people in subjugation. We have largely overthrown that aspect of patriarchal religion only to replace it with a Corporate equivalent.

> I'm looking for solutions to hack this

How did occidental culture dethrone the Church?

It didn't happen in one day, when everyone decided to live a secular life. For centuries individuals stood up, called themselves "atheists" and refused to join in the rituals. They were punished and suffered pain and ostracism.

The problem is, for the aspiring Hedonist, entering into a world of pain to champion a principle that people should have pleasurable lives, won't fly for any but the most unselfish and far sighted.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Phillips_(psychologist)

Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by badpun on Friday August 12, 2022 @07:46AM (#32437041)
> Education is set up not to allow graceful separation into adulthood, as most cultures have historically done, but to transfer dependency to a new set of masters.

Most cultures historically didn't have any education (as we understand it now), with some rare exceptions (wealthy people hiring tutors for their children). Children just started working very early and learned via observation and on-the-job training.

Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by nonrandomstring on Friday August 12, 2022 @08:00AM (#32437160)
> Most cultures historically didn't have any education

I'd say that's untrue.

What I am particularly thinking about is rites of passage in primitive cultures. Education may have been as simple as learning to hunt, light a fire, fight, play with children, and cook food - but there were teachings and tests the tribe provided.

> (as we understand it now)

My point would not be that that's trivially true (nothing is as we understand it now if history implies progress), but that education as we understand it today is precisely the functional slight of hand I describe. A study of Mann, Dewey and the Prussian system introduced in North America will bear that out.

Of course, for the fully self-actualised person of good social conscience, learning does not have to align with the formula of state school and higher education. People with the courage to follow different paths are rare, or they have unusual parents who push them down that route (home-schooling, Steiner/Waldorf etc).

Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by ricardobayes on Friday August 12, 2022 @03:19AM (#32435496)
Start a startup company
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by b3lvedere on Friday August 12, 2022 @06:28AM (#32436549)
I've found out i'm a lot happier if i don't have to do overtime. Get out of the building at 5 and stop all work related things until the next working day. Sadly there are days i don't succeed in that, but the days it does make me happier and more relaxed.
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by p1esk on Friday August 12, 2022 @11:50AM (#32440335)
I work from home, ~20 hours a week on average, though I never tried to contain my work activities to a certain time window, e.g. yesterday I worked 1-4pm with breaks, and then 10pm-midnight. Honestly I can’t even imagine having to haul my ass to a “building” every day and spend all day there, that sounds like a pretty bad life - though I used to do that many years ago.
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by quickthrower2 on Friday August 12, 2022 @08:21AM (#32437392)
I recommend doing a hardcore survival course. You’ll come back knowing 1. you don’t need a job (you do need an occupation…) and 2. why you appreciate modern life, while at the same time why modern life is a bit sad, taking us away from our true habitat.
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by p1esk on Friday August 12, 2022 @11:39AM (#32440177)
Interesting. Can you please explain why you believe 1. is true? I know I’m not going to die if I stop working - I’d just become poor, and therefore less happy. If you’re suggesting a life of a farmer, then how is it different from having to work?
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by quickthrower2 on Saturday August 13, 2022 @07:03PM (#32454621)
I realised I made an assumption. The assumption is the comment is complaining about traditional corporate type work.

There is a belief, that I have lived myself that this is the only way.

A different way is to say do a year on 9-5 and year off living off less money. Or work half the hours.

These alternatives aren’t push button they require a lot of negotiation and some work to set up for yourself.

Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by shaftoe on Friday August 12, 2022 @09:23AM (#32438228)
Can you recommend any specific hardcore survival courses for people not in military or similar roles?
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by quickthrower2 on Saturday August 13, 2022 @07:09PM (#32454650)
Not really, I just was given one as a present. This is in australia. By hardcore… this is a relative term but 24h I had no food, barely any water, and ended up catching a bug from the water I had as I didn’t sterilize it properly.

It was soft core in the sense we were close to civilisation and no one was going to die.

The main takeaways is being prepared esp. how to source water (bring water, filters, spares, more spares, ways to start fire to boil water) and calling for help (no reason to not get a beacon). And how to treat snake bites (because they can kill) was drilled in.

Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by meken on Friday August 12, 2022 @09:00AM (#32437872)
What are some examples of occupation you have in mind?
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by quickthrower2 on Saturday August 13, 2022 @07:12PM (#32454665)
Living frugally and swapping creature comforts for free time.

Then occupy yourself with something you love, but not alcohol, tv, drugs, sloth etc. as this will probably lead to depression / addiction.

For HN stereotype that could be coding the side project which is always more fun than coding at work, even though it is still bashing keys and occasionally swearing at the monitor.

Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by meken on Monday August 22, 2022 @12:18PM (#32553582)
What do you mean “swapping creature comforts for free time”?

What are some examples of creature comforts here? And what does it mean to “swap” them for free time?

I understood the rest of your reply.

Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by mettamage on Friday August 12, 2022 @03:31AM (#32435551)
I don't think I'd be much happier. I work 4 days per week. I need it in order to keep exercising my logical side, because I exercise it a lot less in my personal life.
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by badpun on Friday August 12, 2022 @04:17AM (#32435795)
Those Civ5/Civ6 custom maps won't beat themselves... IOW, there's plenty other activities that heavily involve logical side which are not paid coding work.
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by mettamage on Friday August 12, 2022 @04:35AM (#32435911)
Of course there are plenty of other activities, but I get paid to do this and I like the ability to actually build something. Civ5/Civ6 feels meaningless in comparison. What have I actually effected in the world? Nothing
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by DAVer98 on Friday August 12, 2022 @03:06PM (#32442697)
What you need is semen retention to get back your child hood. Nothing feels meaningless on a long streak.
Re:Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill by chucktingle on Friday August 12, 2022 @04:06AM (#32435736)
Then don't. Consider alternatives, set goals, and go for it.