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Re:Ethereum Goerli testnet merge goes live before move to pr... by alchemist1e9 on Thursday August 11, 2022 @07:42PM (#32433185)
If you have a good understanding of ETH PoS perhaps I can ask this question.

The only issue I’m still confused about is the incentive to add hardware to the network. Obviously the network needs to be resilient to attack on consensus but it also needs networking and physical hardware resilience. How is that incentivized in the PoS?

Re:Ethereum Goerli testnet merge goes live before move to pr... by jlokier on Thursday August 11, 2022 @08:01PM (#32433309)
The stakers have to perform consensus network and block building actions continuously online, or they are penalised by losing value from their stake over time rather than gaining it. The penalty is reasonable so a small downtime during updates and such isn't a problem.

This incentivizes them to have reliable networking and hardware, running 24x7.

However they are heavily penalised if they are seen to do things like double-voting by accident, so they can't just put up duplicate systems and forget about it. High availability failover is something they can only do carefully.

This is different from the current proof-of-work miners. If a miner stops or screws up, they won't gain mining fees during the stop, but they don't lose anything either.

Re:Ethereum Goerli testnet merge goes live before move to pr... by alchemist1e9 on Thursday August 11, 2022 @08:38PM (#32433549)
I understand all that but what I don’t understand is what encourages more physical nodes with high quality bandwidth because it seems like if me and you both want to stake for PoS then we can even be better off sharing the same hardware and buying higher quality hardware than we could individually, and this is a sub-linear incentive which I would think would result in the physical hardware footprint significantly shrinking. Am I missing something?

Now you might say well isn’t that a good thing for less resources but without an incentive to decentralize physically won’t there be a risk of centralization and potentially catastrophic outcomes for the network?

Re:Ethereum Goerli testnet merge goes live before move to pr... by mquander on Thursday August 11, 2022 @08:44PM (#32433590)
One factor fighting against this is that the validator inactivity fees spike to be larger if a lot of validators are offline at once. So if you think all the existing validators are in e.g. AWS us-west, you are taking more risk by putting your validator in AWS us-west too, because your failures are more likely to be correlated with other validator failures.
Re:Ethereum Goerli testnet merge goes live before move to pr... by latchkey on Thursday August 11, 2022 @08:43PM (#32433587)
> what I don’t understand is what encourages more physical nodes with high quality bandwidth because it seems like if me and you both want to stake for PoS then we can even be better off sharing the same hardware and buying higher quality hardware than we could individually.

For the same reason that there are a number of mining companies too. But you're right, PoS doesn't 'fix' that problem.

Re:Ethereum Goerli testnet merge goes live before move to pr... by SEJeff on Friday August 12, 2022 @12:52AM (#32434818)
A common approach is staking pools, which incentivize decentralization for the greater good of the network.

One of the largest ones for eth and several other chains ($7B TVL) is LIDO, of which I’m an eth mainnet and testnet validator node operator. They distribute stake over many high quality validators and have very rigorous operational guidelines to ensure high quality operators only are allowed. I’m not shilling for LIDO but they are a very professional and well ran DAO that truly cares about what’s they’re doing.

One of the cool things they do is liquid staking. In most PoS networks, your funds are locked during a given time boundary, generally referred to as an Epoch. You start staking at an epoch beginning and can not access funds until the beginning of the next epoch. Validators are rewarded for reliably and securely (no double signing!) performing their task via staking rewards. Staking rewards are quite akin to inflation in more traditional monetary systems.

Re:Ethereum Goerli testnet merge goes live before move to pr... by wmf on Thursday August 11, 2022 @08:02PM (#32433318)
Realistically no blockchains that I'm aware of have any incentives for that. A lot of the Ethereum ecosystem is running in us-east-1.