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Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by washbrain on Monday August 08, 2022 @10:58AM (#32386224)
Good. Having sold my Tesla after 8 years of ownership, I can't believe what that company is getting away with.

The car was fun to drive, but the build quality and service were terrible. And the continuous upsell to FSD, even 8 years ago, was such a hassle.

Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by culi on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:35AM (#32386779)
Tesla ranked 27th out of 28 car companies on Consumer Reports 2021 reliability rankings. They also ranked 30th out of 33 in JD Power's measurement of how many first-year issues new cars had.

You're definitely not alone

Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by perrohunter on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:20AM (#32386522)
What they were producing 8 years ago and what they produce nowadays is an order of magnitude different. It’s like comparing your PC from 8 years ago to today’s PCs.
Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by jsight on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:35AM (#32386775)
I'm not sure that the differences are that huge. AP is more capable, but also has more phantom braking issues.

The cars themselves have more range and charge faster, but its not an order of magnitude. Maybe charge times on a road trip have dropped by ~50%.

Service has generally gotten worse as well, as the company has really struggled to scale. They've added a lot of mobile service and service centers, but they still can't keep up with the pace of growth. Good thing is that most of the newer cars aren't needing service much, but when they do it can be problematic.

Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by dekhn on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:27AM (#32386637)
True, but a few years ago they had a huge problem with Model3 and ModelY quality- you had to be very careful and inspect the whole car for serious problems before accepting delivery.
Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by adoxyz on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:34AM (#32386759)
lol if you look at any Tesla forums, this is still very much the case with all cars they make. The refreshed Model X seems to be hot garbage from a quality control stand point.
Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by panick21_ on Monday August 08, 2022 @02:32PM (#32389192)
Tesla forum is literally the perfect example of selection bias.
Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by washbrain on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @01:53AM (#32394623)
Except it's not. If there were no defects, there would be no defects reported on the forums. The number of cars sold is public.

The parent isn't suggesting looking at the ratio of happy and sad posters, which would definitely be selection bias, they are saying look at the rate and severity of complaints on it's own.

Re:California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about... by panick21_ on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @04:17AM (#32395410)
If you have a defect you are about 1000x more likely to go to the forum.

Of course there are defects, at that volume that would be expected.

Parent didn't say anything about rates.