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Re:On pretending to have read books by karaterobot on Sunday August 07, 2022 @11:56AM (#32377422)
I thought for sure this essay would reference Pierre Bayard's really fun How to Talk About Books You Haven't Read. Oh well!

Anyway, I think there are at least three kinds of reading.

The one where you skim some reviews and read twenty pages is one of them. You can do this in order to just be able to say you've read something without putting in the "work", but you can also do this as part of a serious study of some subject: For example, maybe I only need to read a specific chapter in a book to answer a question I have, or I only need to check every page that mentions a specific keyword related to what I'm studying.

Another way of reading is when you march through a book, page-by-page, as quickly as possible. When you get to the last page you say "done" and then you move on. A few months later, all you mat remember about the book is a outline of the plot, in a novel, or maybe one or two important points, in a non-fiction book.

(I think listening to books in audiobook format is another way of reading, but in practice it's often very close to this second form)

The last one is when you read the book, then think about it, then read it again, then read about it, then keep reading it over and over for the rest of your life.

The latter is much more rewarding, but my point is not that one is better than the other, but that all of these are separate activities that can legitimately be called reading. Maybe we need more words for reading.

Re:On pretending to have read books by lysergia on Sunday August 07, 2022 @12:31PM (#32377706)
It’s worth having some form of takeaway from a book, even if it’s just one profound paragraph that resonated with you, and the rest can be filtered out. I mostly read self help, and have managed to boil some books down to a little kernel of truth that I use daily to help me navigate life. Holding a whole book in your head can be done.
Re:On pretending to have read books by Macha on Monday August 08, 2022 @06:11AM (#32383883)
Alternatively, books can be entertainment, and that's fine. This I think is a difference in the types of books read. I generally don't read self help books, my experiences in the past with many of them leaving me uninterested in the genre, and instead tend to mostly read novels, especially sci-fi/fantasy.

It would rather negate the entertainment value, and would feel more like work, if I had to take notes for a book club style experience, though as evidenced by the popularity of book clubs, there's plenty of people who feel different.

Re:On pretending to have read books by mlambie on Monday August 08, 2022 @05:23AM (#32383657)
This is why I find, especially for self help books, reading a distilled summary may suffice. Often the Wikipedia page for the book has enough depth for me.
Re:On pretending to have read books by tapanjk on Sunday August 07, 2022 @12:33PM (#32377719)
> The last one is when you read the book, then think about it, then read it again, then read about it, then keep reading it over and over for the rest of your life.

Agree. Would love to see examples from people of books that fall in this category. I assume it is a short list for most people.

Re:On pretending to have read books by bcbrown on Monday August 08, 2022 @05:12AM (#32383609)
Language in Thought and Action has deeply affected how I think about thinking. I've read it three times now, and there's one or two dozen other books from the same school of thought that I've read since reading it the first time.

Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail 1972 triggered in me an abiding fascination with the operation of the political process.

Re:On pretending to have read books by quesera on Sunday August 07, 2022 @02:25PM (#32378510)
I'd also love to see a list of the most common books people claim to have read, but have not.

There's some obvious stuff:

  - Proust
  - Tolstoy, Dostoevsky
  - Joyce (although to be fair, how can you tell?)
  - Probably David Foster Wallace
  - Knuth :)
Re:On pretending to have read books by tpoacher on Sunday August 07, 2022 @07:33PM (#32380960)
Bible is probably on that list for a lot of people who claim they've read it but haven't (religious or otherwise!)
Re:On pretending to have read books by jkmcf on Monday August 08, 2022 @11:20AM (#32386531)
I’ve always heard Umberto Eco was at the top during his heyday.
Re:On pretending to have read books by karaterobot on Sunday August 07, 2022 @04:15PM (#32379463)
For me, I was thinking of Gene Wolfe when I wrote that. I've reread the entire "solar cycle" at least once every couple years for the last 20 years, and of course I own all the secondary material I can find on it. And I subscribe to three different podcasts where people just discuss it. And Youtube channels, and mailing lists... I don't think I'll ever really get to the bottom.

But it's not uncommon for people to do this with religious texts, too. Reading for devotion, for understanding, out of a since of obligation, whatever. Doesn't matter: it's a distinct way of interacting with books, different from reading a potboiler mystery novel.

Re:On pretending to have read books by ivad on Sunday August 07, 2022 @01:32PM (#32378103)
Notes from Underground was the book that really pulled me into Dostoevsky (after initially reading C&P and disliking it - I doubtless missed quite a lot the first time through). Definitely in that category for me.
Re:On pretending to have read books by berlinquin on Sunday August 07, 2022 @02:05PM (#32378355)
"I am a sick man... I am a spiteful man." A good hook, but I had a tough time finishing Notes. The narrator really shows that yes, he is in fact a sick and spiteful man. Not one I'd want to pick up again.

I got pulled into Dostoyevsky through Brothers K, which led me to Notes eventually.

Do you know what translation of Notes you read? I think I read P&V, and if I read it again I'd want to try something else

Re:On pretending to have read books by ivad on Sunday August 07, 2022 @03:03PM (#32378873)
I've read Garnett and P&V and personally much prefer the Garnett translation!

A nice comparison: https://web.archive.org/web/20131109182920/http://comparetra...

Re:On pretending to have read books by erulabs on Sunday August 07, 2022 @01:06PM (#32377921)
For me it's Nietzsche's "Thus spoke Zarathustra". I'm a different person each time I get through certain sections of that book. That said, I'm sure one of the hundreds of unread books I own is equally life changing.
Re:On pretending to have read books by sneak on Sunday August 07, 2022 @02:13PM (#32378411)
Mine (predictably):

1984

Stranger In A Strange Land

The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress

Time Enough For Love

Friday

The Crying Of Lot 49

Seveneves

Neuromancer

I’ve read all of these at least 4 times, with reading-about-them in between.

I usually pick one up to re-read just a part of it, then I get sucked in and before I know it I’ve re-read the whole thing.

Re:On pretending to have read books by yarg on Sunday August 07, 2022 @09:23PM (#32381559)
I'm not sure if it's true, but QI claimed that most people who claim to have read 1984 are lying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y83UkvHpYk

Why would you pretend to have read a ~300 page book, just read the bloody thing.

Re:On pretending to have read books by novok on Sunday August 07, 2022 @10:43PM (#32381977)
It's a bit boring and depressing, I stopped reading midway through. But it illustrates an important point.
Re:On pretending to have read books by mos_basik on Monday August 08, 2022 @12:35AM (#32382418)
I see your Seveneves! For me it's Anathem. Though the fact that it's the only Stephenson book I have a hard copy of probably helps with serendipitous rereads of the kind you describe.

I read Seveneves once from the library and wouldn't mind reading it again though.

I've read The Sprawl books (trilogy?), but accidentally did it out of order and separated by years, so it took me an embarrassingly long time to make some connections. I should read them again in order this time!

Re:On pretending to have read books by StormChaser_5 on Sunday August 07, 2022 @02:27PM (#32378527)
Have you tried "The player of games"? Based on the others you have there you might like it.
Re:On pretending to have read books by jasone on Sunday August 07, 2022 @03:09PM (#32378920)
I've read eight of the Culture novels now, and "The Player of Games" was in the bottom two for me. I'm mystified that most others seem to rank this book so high. "Use of Weapons" and "Surface Detail" are my favorites so far, but they're rarely mentioned here.
Re:On pretending to have read books by sneak on Sunday August 07, 2022 @02:28PM (#32378536)
I adore the Culture novels, but I read them for the first time last year.

So far I have only re-read Inversions and Excession, the two that were the most fun the first time through.

Re:On pretending to have read books by tomxor on Sunday August 07, 2022 @02:31PM (#32378563)
> The latter is much more rewarding, but my point is not that one is better than the other [...]

I disagree that it's not better...

The "march through a book, page-by-page, as quickly as possible" method is wasteful of your time. That just seems like a task for the sake of being able to say "i've read it", and even if someone is that pretentious, it's a pretty low return on investment - I say screw that, you can only read so many books in your life, read the ones that genuinely interest you at that moment in time. Even if you don't finish or read it front to back contiguously without large breaks, at least the content is meaningful to you while you read it, so you get the most from your time spent reading.

Re:On pretending to have read books by bryanrasmussen on Sunday August 07, 2022 @03:15PM (#32378972)
maybe should mention Pierre Menard who wrote a famous book he hadn't read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Menard,_Author_of_the_Q...