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Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by notsapiensatall on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:15PM (#32348378)
Eh, it's overblown. I use Android, and I don't see ads.

I tried moving to iOS for the bleeding-edge app permissions and privacy protections. But because they forbid any browser besides Safari/WebKit, the iOS version of Firefox cannot run ordinary extensions.

I tried, but I could not find a content blocker that was nearly as effective as uBlock+noScript. So I'm back on Android, where I can browse the web in peace.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by denkmoon on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:38PM (#32349690)
I use an nvidia shield TV for many many years. It was perfect, after having tried raspberry pis and cuboxes and all manner of shit low perf SBCs as a HTPC.

Mid 2021, Google forcefully replaced the launcher/home screen for all android TV devices, such that the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the screen is taken up by an ad. You can't disable it, you can't remove it, there is _nothing_ you can do about it. Every time you use this home theatre device, the first thing you're presented with is an ad. I paid for that device and the software on it. I paid for youtube premium to avoid ads. I paid for google drive space to store my data. It's not like I was getting a free lunch.

I've got an Apple TV now, and an iPhone as well - replaced my OnePlus.

I use chrome for work unfortunately, yesterday I was _delighted_ to see that Google had very helpfully placed an add for their new wireless earphones on my new tab page. Very cool.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by 1-6 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:10PM (#32349935)
At least the ad for the Pixel buds was a little piece of text. But I agree, it’s nice not to have ads on every single thing.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by AdamJacobMuller on Friday August 05, 2022 @11:11AM (#32357270)
I replaced the launcher with SCL3. My entire home screen is 3 buttons now: Plex, Spotify and STube/Youtube with 0 chrome/fancy/ads/etc. I love it.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by easrng on Friday August 05, 2022 @04:29PM (#32361608)
I'm pretty sure the NTP ads only show up if you use Google as your search engine.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by bigyikes on Thursday August 04, 2022 @06:25PM (#32349095)
Check out Orion[1]. They claim to run web extensions on iOS. Apparently they ported many extension APIs to work with WebKit, which sounds pretty impressive.

I can’t vouch for their iOS browser (yet) but I’ve been using their Mac browser and it’s been pleasant.

[1]: https://browser.kagi.com/

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by cmroanirgo on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:52PM (#32349795)
From their FAQ (https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#oss)

> Is Orion open-source?

> We’re working on it! We’ve begun with some of our components and intend to open more in the future.

Forking WebKit, porting hundreds of APIs and writing a browser app from scratch has been challenging for our small team. Properly maintaining an open-source project takes time and resources we’re short on at the moment, so if you want to contribute at this time, please consider becoming a beta tester.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by dotproto on Thursday August 04, 2022 @09:19PM (#32350351)
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by rafram on Friday August 05, 2022 @12:25AM (#32351634)
A really bad implementation of the WebExtension API (many missing features compared to other browsers and next to no relevant documentation) that also requires wrapping each extension with an iOS app and distributing it on the App Store.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by ilrwbwrkhv on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:40PM (#32350901)
It's nice but has one major flaw of all webkit browsers. If you speed up a video, the audio will crap out and become tinny. Especially hard to hear speech. Only Firefox, Chrome get it right. It's a shame Safari / Orion still have such a fundamental flaw.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by binkHN on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:29PM (#32349616)
> I tried moving to iOS for the bleeding-edge app permissions and privacy protections.

As I'm sure you know, Android 13 does more here...

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by notsapiensatall on Thursday August 04, 2022 @09:45PM (#32350512)
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with how Google tends to follow Apple's better ideas, but Apple has usually been the leader in privacy innovations.

It's frustrating. They make fantastic hardware, but their software leaves a lot to be desired, and they are extremely insistent on maintaining control over the devices that they sell. The M1s look like a small step in the right direction, but they have a lot of lost trust to rebuild.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by figmaheart255 on Friday August 05, 2022 @01:18AM (#32352035)
> Yeah, I'm pretty happy with how Google tends to follow Apple's better ideas

they just innovate in different areas. and they borrow from each other all the time. Android introduced multi-tasking, notifications, PiP, widgets, etc. iOS introduced the app screen, app store, gesture navigation, fingerprint unlock, etc. I think Android tends to cater towards power user features (like PiP and multi-tasking) whereas iOS tends to focus on UX (like gesture navigation).

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by copp on Friday August 05, 2022 @09:31AM (#32355866)
Finger printer reader was first introduced in Motorola Atrix (Android). Then apple bought the company that provided finger print scanner to Atrix.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by jjtheblunt on Sunday August 07, 2022 @04:31PM (#32379607)
I'm reading this from ArchLinux on an M2 Macbook Air that i just bought. Works great, but i suspect some drivers aren't tuned yet.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by wfme on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:48PM (#32349770)
Not sure comparing a yet to be released OS is a solid selling point here.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by binkHN on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:55PM (#32349829)
It’s in beta, will be formally released very soon and there is more than enough detail out there that goes over the updated permissions and related.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by bigiain on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:56PM (#32350218)
I'm looking forward to trying it out, but realistically it's gonna be running on low single digit percentage of all Android phones for at least 2 years. iOS 16 will be on 90+% of iOS devices by October...

I'm probably going have to buy a newer Android phone to be able to install Android13, I doubt the Lineage crowd are going to bother building a version to run on even my newest Android phone - at least not anytime soon.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by mfcl on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:01PM (#32350633)
I am not sure I understand who you are blaming for this. Google will update its Pixel devices just like Apple updates its iPhones.

If Samsung and other phone makers don't push Android 13 on their current phones, then that's not Google's problem.

> I'm looking forward to trying it out, but realistically it's gonna be running on low single digit percentage of all Android phones for at least 2 years.

What difference does it make to you?

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by solardev on Friday August 05, 2022 @01:15AM (#32352013)
It was Google's choice to go with that model and allow Android to fragment like that.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by blfr on Friday August 05, 2022 @02:33AM (#32352511)
Good point about the platform but you have a personal choice to get the Pixel or other phone that runs the latest Android its benefits. No different than getting an iPhone.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by solardev on Friday August 05, 2022 @09:11AM (#32355593)
I don't think that's a fair comparison. It's more like Windows (a thousand vendors, each with their own config) vs Mac (one vendor, a small handful of configs).

Except it's even worse than that in the Android world because different vendors produce not just their own drivers, but their own UIs and apps that override the defaults. There's not just one Android but one for every major vendor, and thing like calendars, photos, messages, voice assistants, files, accounts, etc. can't easily be shared between them. I have a Pixel and my partner a Samsung, and we can never figure out how to share things with each other because every vendor's Android is so different.

That is a direct result of Google releasing Android under a certain model of openness, trying to catch up with iOS when it was first released and needing to give phone vendors a reason to adopt it. It got really bad for a while and they tried to rein it in with Play phones and the Google One phones and the Pixel line, but the market is still incredibly fragmented, especially between the Samsung, HTC, Google, and other major vendor variants.

Meanwhile on my iPad and Mac, everything is just seamless. After a decade of Pixels, I'm gonna switch to an iPhone soon, just because iMessage is still so much better and the carriers don't really seem to care about RCS. Android has like two dozen chat and messaging programs, all of which suck in various ways, while iOS has had one superior one all these years. Centralized control can make your platform a lot cleaner.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by blfr on Friday August 05, 2022 @09:56AM (#32356156)
The fragmentation does nothing to impair your own ability to use app permissions in Android 13. You only need Android 13 on your phone. No network effect.

As for communication apps, there is exactly one great app for both Android and iPhone. It's the same app: Signal.

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by solardev on Friday August 05, 2022 @10:20AM (#32356460)
Sorry, did I miss some context? What do the app permissions have to do with fragmentation?
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by blfr on Friday August 05, 2022 @10:26AM (#32356528)
The whole subthread is about app permissions in Android 13 vs iOS

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32349616

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by solardev on Monday August 15, 2022 @11:48AM (#32471181)
Ah, sorry, I totally missed that parent.
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by danaris on Friday August 05, 2022 @01:13PM (#32358987)
Wasn't there a problem recently where Google decided to stop supporting a Pixel phone after just 2-3 years?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30074185 (6 months ago, 683 comments)

Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by jjtheblunt on Friday August 05, 2022 @09:26AM (#32355792)
where can you get Android 13?
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by binkHN on Friday August 05, 2022 @10:03AM (#32356232)
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by jjtheblunt on Friday August 05, 2022 @03:00PM (#32360436)
Those are beta releases though
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by llbeansandrice on Thursday August 04, 2022 @06:48PM (#32349295)
reader mode works brilliantly
Re:Apple is building a demand-side platform by qwertyuiop_ on Friday August 05, 2022 @09:17AM (#32355670)
Use iOS Brave it’s a winner