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Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by kingTug on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:08PM (#32348302)
Lex Fridman misrepresents his role at MIT to make himself sound more accomplished than he really is, and the way he went about putting out his self driving car research directly to the press instead of going through peer review is shady. The guy is a cringeworthy grifter. He’s trying to be viewed as some AI expert but he’s totally full of shit. Elon made him famous and he got the Joe Rogan push. Absolutely droning interviewer in need of media training.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by thesausageking on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:27PM (#32348505)
How does he misrepresent himself?

The MIT directory lists him as a "Research Scientist"[0] and he has solid set of papers he's published on self-driving cars and AI[1]. This is completely consistent with the way he describes himself: "I'm an AI researcher working on autonomous vehicles, human-robot interaction, and machine learning at MIT and beyond"

[0] https://www.mit.edu/directory/?id=lexfridman&d=mit.edu [1] https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wZH_N7cAAAAJ&hl=en...

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by cma on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:39PM (#32348632)
He took pretty close to the Tim Ferris route of give a speech on soapbox in harvard square, then put "gave a speech at Harvard" on your resume.

His MIT class was of the type that is more like an ungraded bookclub than a normal MIT course.

What he did with the Tesla safety paper was far more ingratiating and conniving though.

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by hombre_fatal on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:20PM (#32348434)
Attacking someone's character just because their name is mentioned and you don't like them is pretty boring conversation.

If you're going to drive-by crap on someone, at least recommend podcasters that you do like assuming there are any, especially those that might appeal to Lex's audience.

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by briga on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:16PM (#32348388)
Seems to me like he’s gotten along just fine without any ‘media training’, whatever that is. Calling him a grifter seems a little unwarranted
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Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by infamouscow on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:43PM (#32348681)
Do you have any evidence to back that up -- or a counter-argument to the undeniable fact the podcast is a success?
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Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by dang on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:49PM (#32350194)
We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines (and I do mean repeatedly). Please don't create accounts to do that with—it will eventually get your main account banned as well.

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Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by kodah on Thursday August 04, 2022 @06:07PM (#32348922)
> And very naive man boy

> You sound triggered.

> You know what else has had undeniable success? Cigarettes and Facebook. Terrible argument.

Just a note, I think you've violated the guidelines in a multitude of ways here. Since you're new, definitely have a read: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by laluser on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:20PM (#32348431)
How does he misrepresent his role at MIT to sound more accomplished? I have watched a ton of his episodes and he hardly mentions anything about himself. He's fairly humble overall, especially compared to other podcasters in this space.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by redmen on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:27PM (#32348512)
That's his thing though. He acts humble but behind the scenes he manipulates
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by ErneX on Friday August 05, 2022 @02:21AM (#32352442)
I wanna see the receipts.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by economist420 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:49PM (#32348736)
Wow so much unprovoked hate. Sounds like the issue is more with you than anything to do with Lex.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by rahimnathwani on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:16PM (#32348392)
I enjoy his interviews, which are mainly about his guests, not about him.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by jjoonathan on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:26PM (#32348494)
Yes. He may be a bit of a gray museum wall, but I don't go to the museum and think "gee, a pink polka dot background would really set off this Rembrandt painting."

He doesn't get in the way, and that's more than can be said about a lot of people vying for attention these days.

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by Q6T46nT668w6i3m on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:31PM (#32348554)
“Cringe” is the best word to explain what I feel when watching or listening to his videos. It’s like Curb about Enthusiasm but without the humor.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by bigdict on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:46PM (#32348707)
He is first author on a NIPS paper coauthored with two other people at MIT. That's a sign of legitimacy/accomplishment to me.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by deelowe on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:25PM (#32348485)
I don't know, I kind of like his podcast and I'm glad he takes the more dry, analytical approach when compared to others.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by nsxwolf on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:22PM (#32348454)
I just see him as a guy that has interesting conversations with interesting people. I don’t understand the need to Joe Rogan him.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by sva_ on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:18PM (#32348416)
How did he misrepresent his role at MIT? He never claimed to have gotten a degree there and he never claimed to be a professor there. He taught a course there though, as an independent researcher.

I don't think he got famous through Elon Musk, but maybe through Joe Rogan to some degree (he already had hundreds of thousands of views before his first episode with Elon Musk.)

How exactly is he a grifter? Sure he runs ads, like almost any podcast, but I don't think he's trying to sell anything or so.

His interviewing style is peculiar, but that's a matter of opinion, and you're free to not watch his show. He undeniably has a lot of very interesting guests on, and that's probably the main reason why people watch his show.

So what are you even saying?

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by laluser on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:21PM (#32348446)
I agree with you. I think OP is way off the mark here. I actually think Lex is super thoughtful and humble. Always giving praise to people and never bringing much of his academia efforts.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by m_ke on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:24PM (#32348478)
He turned his youtube lectures channel on self driving into "MIT AI Podcast", which helped him get a ton of top ML people on and then pivoted that into "Lex Fridman Podcast" with a lot more IDW style crackpots mixed in, lending them credibility that they don't deserve.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by infamouscow on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:33PM (#32348578)
So his crime is exploring other topics and expanding his podcast?

You don't have to listen to podcasts you don't like.

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by nl on Thursday August 04, 2022 @11:37PM (#32351270)
But that's a different criticism to "he misrepresents himself"
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by PostOnce on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:20PM (#32348432)
MIT itself does the same shit, they make every minor toy cobbled together by just-recently-high-school students sound like something it's not.

MIT Researchers Invent ________, where the blank is billed as a self-aware machine, when in reality it's Eliza re-implemented in PHP.

In fact, if MIT students reinvented the wheel, the MIT press office would bill it as "MIT Researchers invent matter transporter".

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by sva_ on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:22PM (#32348459)
I get where you're coming from, and agree to some degree, but your example is just unrealistic hyperbole.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by PostOnce on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:24PM (#32348480)
It's not though, they really do wildly exaggerate trivial things to aggrandize MIT; we could go digging for examples, there are many.

It's understandable, reputation is valuable, both for organizations and for the individual.

So, I can't blame Lex and I can't blame MIT, but I can say that I absolutely notice it.

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by kayeles on Friday August 05, 2022 @07:20AM (#32354522)
No, you are not talking about the institution here. Lex just used the institution as a platform to self-promote himself. Nothing intrinsically wrong with this, but Lex isn't the most sophisticated brain at MIT.

There are smarter people there, less loquacious, but more powerful. Then again, MIT also has evil people in power, like previous MIT Chancellor Eric Grimson, who killed Aaron Schwartz and betrayed the principles of the institution by secretly passing information on to the secret service. Grimson was still able to hold on to a title of Chancellor that pays him more than 400K USD per year!!! INSANE!

You are talking about Stephen Wolfram and his pothole self promoting things. Wolfram is also a very dangerous individual. he is feeding off ignorance, and corrupting young minds.

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by jacklizhui on Friday August 05, 2022 @07:39AM (#32354692)
Deep commentary. Appreciated. Accepted and Agreed.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by sva_ on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:28PM (#32348522)
Could you point me to an example where they did a press release about a model from the (approx) 70s which they reimplemented in PHP? I mean anything like that, not this specific example. Because that just sounds so outlandish to me.
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by PostOnce on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:46PM (#32348705)
They can transmit thoughts directly into your head... via a computer monitor.

They call it a "a brain-to-brain interface", doesn't that imply one brain is wired directly to another electrically?

It opens with "The ability to send thoughts directly to another person’s brain is the stuff of science fiction. At least, it used to be." ... again, via a computer monitor.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2018/09/29/139965/the-first...

I remember when they billed kids fucking around with shape memory alloy as something really grandiose, I'll see if I can find that and come back and edit this post to include it if I do.

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by nl on Thursday August 04, 2022 @11:51PM (#32351372)
> They can transmit thoughts directly into your head... via a computer monitor.

> They call it a "a brain-to-brain interface", doesn't that imply one brain is wired directly to another electrically?

The actual paper summary is better:

> Two of the three subjects are "Senders" whose brain signals are decoded using real-time EEG data analysis to extract decisions about whether to rotate a block in a Tetris-like game before it is dropped to fill a line. The Senders' decisions are transmitted via the Internet to the brain of a third subject, the "Receiver," who cannot see the game screen. The decisions are delivered to the Receiver's brain via magnetic stimulation of the occipital cortex.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1809.08632

I don't think "a brain-to-brain interface" implies wiring the brains together at all. To me it means transmitting information that bypasses the traditional human communication channels - and this certainly does because it's read via the EEGs and then sent to the reciever via magnetic stimulation.

There is no information sent between people via the screen. The senders see the full game, and send their decision via magnetic stimulation to the receiver.

The "flashing lights" are ONLY seen by the senders, and used to stimulate the senders brains to send signals that can be read by the EEG. From the paper:

Senders focused their attention on a “Yes” LED light flashing at 17 Hz placed on the left side of their computer screen; to convey a "Do Not Rotate" decision, they focused on the “No” LED light flashing at 15 Hz placed on the right side. These LEDs are depicted as circles attached to the screens in Figure 1. The cursor position provided real-time visual feedback to the Senders. The direction of movement of the cursor was determined by comparing the EEG power at 17 Hz versus 15 Hz, with a higher power at 17 Hz over that at 15 Hz moving the cursor towards the left side near the “Yes” LED, and vice-versa for the "No" LED

The decisions of the two Senders were sent to the Receiver’s computer through a TCP/IP network and were further translated into two pulses of transcranial magentic stimulation (TMS) delivered sequentially to the occipital cortex of the Receiver. Each TMS pulse lasted 1 ms. An eight-second delay was enforced between the two pulses to remain within the strictest safety guidelines of TMS stimulation29. The intensity of the stimulation was set above or below the threshold at which the Receiver could perceive a flash of light known as a phosphene: a “Yes” response was translated to an intensity above the threshold, and “No” was translated to an intensity below the threshold. During each round of trials, the Receiver always received the decision from one Sender first, then the other. The screen the Receiver saw also had visual prompts to remind them whose decision the current TMS stimulation was conveying. Receivers made their decision based on whether a phosphene was perceived and conveyed their decision (rotate or do not rotate) to the game using the same SSVEP-based procedure used by both Senders. After the game state was updated, the trial moved into the second round and the above process was repeated.

So there was no physical light flash for the receiver - their brain was just stimulated so they would perceive one.

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by PostOnce on Thursday August 04, 2022 @06:06PM (#32348908)
Ah, I found one.

"MIT Engineers develop magnetic soft-continuum thread-like robot with lubricating hydrogel skin"

or in no-BS language: "Some college guys move coated wire with magnets"

https://news.mit.edu/2019/robot-brain-blood-vessels-0828

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by nl on Thursday August 04, 2022 @11:57PM (#32351415)
They created a device which they can successfully and safely move through blood vessels in the brain without causing injury and you characterize it as "Some college guys move coated wire with magnets"?!

I mean yes. Sort of like saying a covid vaccine is "some people mixing chemicals in test tubes".

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by PostOnce on Friday August 05, 2022 @12:54AM (#32351860)
Not quite.

The researchers also tested the thread in a life-size silicone replica of the brain’s major blood vessels, including clots and aneurysms, modeled after the CT scans of an actual patient’s brain.

So no, not a brain. Silicone tubes. On a table somewhere.

They're happy to talk it up like its an actual in-vitro human brain though.

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by nl on Friday August 05, 2022 @12:59AM (#32351895)
Sure - you need ethics approval to do the studies on a live brain, but you don't on a replica.

The point remains.

Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by lulzury on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:40PM (#32350900)
It's much easier to criticize someone rather than to put one's self in their shoes and create something that was not there before, which many people consider to add value to their lives. Have you stopped to think why that might be?
Re:Lex Fridman Podcast #309 – John Carmack by infamouscow on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:30PM (#32348549)