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Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by causi on Monday August 01, 2022 @10:55AM (#32306821)
It appears that someone circumnavigated the scientific process and forced UCP in.

That would be whoever benefitted financially from the decision to fuck our soldiers over.

Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by michaelbuckbee on Monday August 01, 2022 @11:09AM (#32307072)
Having worked (as a civilian contractor) for the military it's equally plausible that the decision was screwed up for other reasons. High up decision makers that "trust their gut" over what the data tells them or who arbitrarily decide that a certain pattern looks silly to them.

It's absolutely not intuitive that the digital looking blocky camouflage patterns [1] are going to perform better than the blob style camo patterns they replaced.

1 - https://www.businessinsider.com/why-militaries-have-strange-...

Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by bumby on Monday August 01, 2022 @12:30PM (#32308537)
Commanders have wide discretion and it's part of the decentralized command mindset. They can sometimes make such decisions on no more than "I think this pattern looks cooler than that pattern"
Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by bityard on Monday August 01, 2022 @02:29PM (#32310237)
Yep. But it depends on the relationship the commander has with his or her superior officer. Some commanders are burdened with having to justify every single decision they make. Others have basically free reign to lead how they see fit (for better or worse) as long as they stay within the regulations.
Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by olalonde on Monday August 01, 2022 @11:30AM (#32307451)
Hanlon's razor strikes again.
Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by ncmncm on Monday August 01, 2022 @07:23PM (#32313401)
Berets.
Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by some_random on Monday August 01, 2022 @11:14AM (#32307163)
Seeing as UCP is owned by the US government, I'm very curious to hear who could have financially benefited from its selection. If anything, HyperStealth here is the one with the financial motivation seeing as their US4CES pattern was not selected.
Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by furyg3 on Monday August 01, 2022 @11:31AM (#32307457)
I mean, there is an obvious (gigantic) budgetary and logistical advantage of having one form of camouflage for all situations over more than one.

If it works, of course, which it doesn't.

Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by bovermyer on Monday August 01, 2022 @11:19AM (#32307250)
Much more likely is that multiple entities just wanted something done quickly and didn't follow all the right procedures the way they should have been.

Don't presume malice when incompetence will do.

Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by sam_lowry_ on Monday August 01, 2022 @10:58AM (#32306873)
Are these people in prison yet?
Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by bovermyer on Monday August 01, 2022 @11:23AM (#32307318)
You're assuming malicious intent, multiple co-conspirators, and illegal action.

None of that information is available to you.

Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Monday August 01, 2022 @11:00AM (#32306901)
What law was broken?
Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by _tomcat_ on Monday August 01, 2022 @11:11AM (#32307115)
idk, but it seems to undermine national security.

Maybe in here somewhere, "Various statutes supplement the provisions of Chapter 37 to criminalize activities that jeopardize the national defense or national security."

IANAL ;)

Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by some_random on Monday August 01, 2022 @11:18AM (#32307235)
I'm sure the senior military officials pushing UCP through were doing so to intentionally handicap the organization they spent their entire life working for. Rather than just making a mistake based on overestimating their own knowledge. If that's criminalized, all of HN is going behind bars.
Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by pookha on Monday August 01, 2022 @05:19PM (#32312162)
I was deployed to CENTCOM in the USAF when these uniforms went into service. Worked closely with Army...If memory serves they were flammable and poorly tested (circa 2006). I can remember the Army units I talked to were having major problems. So if you had the misfortune of getting deployed outside the wire and had to wear those things I could see why you might be a little keyed up 15+ years later.
Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by _tomcat_ on Monday August 01, 2022 @11:34AM (#32307517)
thats a weird take, very defensive. But, since youre sure about it I guess everyone should be too.

I'm sure no one is trying to destroy US democracy either or stage insurrections, etc. oh wait...

If I had to guess, I'd say it was intentional and all about money. That could make it illegal. Even if they didn't intend to lose in combat, it still gave US soldiers a handycap.

Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by some_random on Monday August 01, 2022 @11:47AM (#32307752)
So to sum things up, you're suggesting that either US army officials in 2004 chose UCP to weaken the US military in preparation for a fascist coup in 2020 OR they chose a US gov owned pattern over commercial patterns to make money (somehow)? And you're calling my response defensive and weird lmao
Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by PastaArt on Monday August 01, 2022 @12:02PM (#32308032)
They said their guess is "money". This looks like your trying to put words in someone elses mouth. The examples of corruption in government seems to be just that, examples.

Im not sure why you try to act like they all need to be tied together somehow?

Seem pretty defensive & weird.

Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by some_random on Monday August 01, 2022 @12:45PM (#32308763)
Alright so to avoid putting words in anyone's mouth, please outline how corruption could have caused the US to fast track a pattern it developed itself rather than one of the superior commercial patterns that they would have had to pay royalties on.
Re:U.S. Army Camouflage Improvement Explained (2013) by _tomcat_ on Monday August 01, 2022 @01:08PM (#32309100)
The US didn't fast track anything, individuals did. As far as motive goes, there could be many reasons, and what might be able to motivate you may not have the effect on someone else. Since you want something to help you understand motivation and how it relates to corruption, here is a link with some explanations.

https://hackbrain.net/main-causes-of-corruption/

Happy reading!