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Re:Router Security by jaclaz on Saturday July 30, 2022 @08:55AM (#32286417)
>These Wi-Fi MACs are broadcast (the 802.11 BSSID) and captured by wardriving databases that also record their physical location.

I am not sure to understand, while this is in theory doable, do these "captured by wardriving" databases exist?

And do they cover "everywhere"?

Re:Router Security by veonik on Saturday July 30, 2022 @09:18AM (#32286559)
A long while back now Google came out saying[0] they did use their Google Maps Street View cars to also collect wifi+location information. It wouldn't surprise me if they augmented this info with data they receive through Google services running on Android phones too.

So my bet is, yeah, they do exist and they do pretty much cover everywhere.

[0]: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/may/15/google-ad...

Re:Router Security by Lukas_Skywalker on Saturday July 30, 2022 @09:57AM (#32286855)
Google even has a geolocation API [1] where you can send the BSSID and signal strength of the access points in your range and it calculates your position.

[1]: https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/geolocation...

Re:Router Security by megous on Saturday July 30, 2022 @12:27PM (#32288027)
Mozilla offers a similar API. Kinda funny for a "privacy" company.
Re:Router Security by jaclaz on Saturday July 30, 2022 @09:37AM (#32286718)
I see now, thanks.

Though I believe that if Google is the adversary, they have ways (only a guess, but some kind of correlation between GPS location on mobile while connected to Wi-Fi and http requests could be one) that make the "wardriving database" unneeded, I mean, there should be a constant updating of this database, or it would turn out pretty much obsolete soon.

Re:Router Security by toast0 on Saturday July 30, 2022 @01:31PM (#32288600)
The database may have originally been filled by wardriving, but it can be updated by their distributed agents (phones with location services turned on).
Re:Router Security by alexwasserman on Saturday July 30, 2022 @03:44PM (#32289666)
It’s called Wi-Fi Positioning System: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_positioning_system

There are both open and proprietary versions.

I think early iPhones used it (with cell site data too), before they had GPS. Can’t remember their name for it.

But, all big populated areas are mapped and understood.

See Hybrid Positioning too, which is combining all available data, including Wi-Fi, to aid in rapid and accurate location information: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_positioning_system

Re:Router Security by h4waii on Saturday July 30, 2022 @11:07AM (#32287354)
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