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Re:Polio Detected in US by lelandfe on Friday July 22, 2022 @03:02PM (#32195865)
I lived in a Brooklyn neighborhood densely populated by Hasidim for years and this is unfortunately not the first time something like this has happened.[0] The highly insular community means misinformation is hard to combat. This quote is pertinent:

> ”Being a religious Jew, you also get used to having a minority viewpoint,” said Alexander Rapaport, the CEO of the Masbia Soup Kitchen Network in Brooklyn, and a public face of the Hasidic community. “So if something is not mainstream, it doesn’t take you away from believing it.”

[0] https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/11/9/18068036/me...

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Re:Polio Detected in US by atwood22 on Friday July 22, 2022 @04:56PM (#32197020)
Because the orthodox Jewish community is a constant source of outbreaks in the area. In 2019, there was a measles outbreak, in 2020, a number of COVID outbreaks, and now polio. No one is claiming that this community is the only to have a disease outbreak, but if there is an outbreak of a preventable disease in Rockland County, then it's most likely coming from Monsey.
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Re:Polio Detected in US by oneoff786 on Friday July 22, 2022 @05:50PM (#32197521)
You’re the only one saying anything about taking action, so no, nobody’s interested in your shitty bait.

Here’s one study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23113481/

> From June 28, 2009, through June 27, 2010, a total of 3502 outbreak-related cases of mumps were reported in New York City, two upstate New York counties, and one New Jersey county. Of the 1648 cases for which clinical specimens were available, 50% were laboratory-confirmed. Orthodox Jewish persons accounted for 97% of case patients.

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Re:Polio Detected in US by orwin on Friday July 22, 2022 @07:38PM (#32198457)
Man, he was just doing an interesting remark about where those outbreak often happen (aka in unvaccinated communities). It was a small dig at antivax (and a really tame one), not an attack on all Jews.
Re:Polio Detected in US by lelandfe on Friday July 22, 2022 @05:38PM (#32197413)
I’m bringing up a specific community because it’s one that I lived in, know about, and is the subject of this post.

I don’t know anything about the problems faced by those communities you named.

Re:Polio Detected in US by Asparagirl on Friday July 22, 2022 @05:09PM (#32197150)
Oh, certain people, like those of us who are sick of the repeated behavior of our co-religionists from this exact same community? The minute I read this polio outbreak was in Rockland county, my heart sank. Everyone knew what that likely meant.

A frum friend of mine told me today that the rumor is an Israeli kid, vaccinated with the live polio vaccine, had just moved into the community and was the likely carrier, and will likely be blamed, completely unfairly — instead of the fact that Hasids in Monsey have a ghastly problem with under-vaccination and non-vaccination.

Yeah, there’s a very good reason that people bring up this same community every time there’s a preventable disease outbreak.

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Re:Polio Detected in US by khazhoux on Friday July 22, 2022 @06:48PM (#32198024)
> One case of polio hits the news and the Orthodox Jews have to go.

Who is suggesting anyone "has to go" anywhere? In your other comment you suggested that people here want to do round-ups.

Is it not OK for people here to say that a community's refusal to vaccinate will lead to predictable results?

Re:Polio Detected in US by hunterb123 on Friday July 22, 2022 @07:04PM (#32198175)
It seems plenty pointless to finger point a community when a case pops up after 20 years and ignore all the other cases in the country popping up from foreign travelers and other communities.

It seems even more pointless if you don't want to say what you want to do to prevent that specific case. Just complaining to complain? Or singling out a community because you don't like them?

Simply put, what would you like to do?. Let's not side step around your intentions because you can't back them up morally.

Left leaning communities like this one are the most vicious towards Orthodox Jews, Israel, and religion in general.

It's really sad and predictable at this point.

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Explain your diagnosis of my "persecution complex".

Define what it is and how you think I have it, doc.

Then I should have enough info to diagnose you.

Re:Polio Detected in US by Asparagirl on Friday July 22, 2022 @08:13PM (#32198729)
Dude, your persecution complex is amazing. Best I’ve seen in years.

Literally no one here is talking about geopolitics or religion outside of the context that a specific subset of Hasidic Jews in Monsey (and Boro Park, and Williamsburg) keep getting infected with completely preventable diseases again and again and again. It’s not happening in Lakewood, Shaker Heights, Scarsdale, Boca Raton, Pico Robertson, Encino, the Five Towns, or a hundred other Jewish communities INCLUDING ORTHODOX JEWISH communities! You know why? Because they (we) know enough to vaccinate their (our) kids against fucking measles and polio! We’re not talking about Jews, Judaism, Orthodoxy! We’re mad about a completely predictable result of compulsive non-vaccination!

And what I personally would like to do is force people to vaccinate their children against deadly diseases, unless there is a very clear medical reason to abstain. Not doing so is flat out child abuse. It’s damning little kids to lifelong paralysis to own the libs.

Re:Polio Detected in US by Asparagirl on Friday July 22, 2022 @05:35PM (#32197385)
Guess what? Sometimes they are! The issue here isn’t kashrut, niddah, or the eternal shidduch crisis. The issue isn’t really about Orthodoxy at all.

The issue is that this exact group of people don’t vaccinate or else under-vaccinate, in ways that are unlike every other community around them, in ways that continually cause outbreaks of diseases that are completely preventable, in ways that absolutely show up in the national data.

Sorry-not-sorry if that hurts your feelings, bubbeleh.

Re:Polio Detected in US by Sparkle-san on Friday July 22, 2022 @05:30PM (#32197346)
Because they're not comparable. 75% of the measles cases in 2019 (which was the worst measles year since 1992) were associated with the Orthodox communities in NY[1]. Oregon and Washington do have higher prevalence due somewhat lower vaccination rates in specific counties but they lack the same clustering and congregating that is found in the Orthodox communities.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6840e2.htm

Re:Polio Detected in US by hunterb123 on Friday July 22, 2022 @07:20PM (#32198299)
You cherry picked a particularly bad year (and a far outlier) and ignored the years where Washington and Oregon had higher numbers than NY.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/186678/new-cases-of-meas...

Re:Polio Detected in US by Sparkle-san on Friday July 22, 2022 @08:06PM (#32198691)
I focused on the bad year for that specific reason, because it was BAD. WA and OR have some cases throughout the years, but they don't produce large outbreaks because the overall populations are still vaccinated enough for herd immunity to act as a barrier. Orthodox communities on the other hand don't have that advantage, and when there's an outbreak there, it creates outliers and outliers are what we're trying to avoid when it comes to pathogens.
Re:Polio Detected in US by hunterb123 on Friday July 22, 2022 @08:39PM (#32198941)
You seem very matter of fact for a one year outlier that you tried to pass off as a trend.

What about the years where an Oregon community surpassed the Orthodox Jew community in question?

Seems like you just want to selectively take an unfortunate outlier from 3 years ago and persecute a community for it even though it's not the norm.