You should know that the Bible literally has instructions for when and how to perform an abortion: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205%3A1...

Whether this describes a method of inducing abortion is open to interpretation.

If we look at 5:28 in particular, it could be describing either continued fertility or continued pregnancy: https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Bamidbar%205:28

you can keep your puritan personal take on this, and live by it all you want. All the rest of us ask is that you don't try and impose your restrictive personal beliefs on us, directly or via appartus of the state. That shouldnt be controversial.

Unlike religion, government policies are derived not from an absolute source of truth but are related only to the values of the people being governed by them. So, you know, may the best man win.

Religious flamewar is not allowed on Hacker News, so please don't propagate it. We ban accounts that keep doing this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Absolute truth. Lol. Buddy. God doesn’t exist, you have been lied to all your life by controlling beings who wish to fill you mind with ancient fairy tales to keep you in submission. Religion is a refuge for the ignorant.

Hacker news is not the place to be spreading fear, it is a house of science and engineering. We like logic, and freedom. You are advocating for ignorance and superstition.

For what it’s worth Russell’s Teapot is an illogical, fallacious analogy, and almost always the reason atheists think they’re smarter than everyone else.

Narrator: they were.

The nature of having opinions is that you think you’re right, so welcome to the club.

>... I have a feeling the whole conversation would be a lot different if that's all we were discussing and having to take responsibility for our decisions wasn't part of the discussion.

I need to make sure that you understand that many organizations, such as Planned Parenthood, make education around contraceptives and the magnitude of one's sexual decisions a part of their program, right? These are conversations people want to be having with others, concepts people want to be teaching to kids or adults before they fuck up, but you'll find that many of the states that outlaw (or want to) abortion also prevent proper sex ed curriculum from being taught in the classroom.

> My personal perspective is that God told us not to have sex before marriage...

Then why are so many characters in the Bible having sex outside marriage, or engaging in polygamy?

God didn't tell anyone that. A few old people wrote some stuff down in a book and now a whole lot of people believe they should follow some but not all of the rules in that book. Do you follow all the rules in your holy book?

What religion are you talking about here? Can’t be christianity because the bible never talks about premarital sex directly. Not to mention the abortion instructions given by Moses in Numbers 5:11-31.

@dang There's a lot of unnecessary toxicity in this particular comment thread.

Putting "@dang" in a comment doesn't do anything. I just saw this randomly. If you want a delivered message, you need to send it to [email protected]. And yes, it's certainly helpful to alert us to threads that were as bad as this. Users watching out for the quality of HN threads is probably the biggest moderation asset HN has—it makes a huge difference.

I've replied to many of the accounts that were breaking the site guidelines. I'm not sure I've got them all, though. If you (or anyone) do contact us about this kind of thing in the future, links would be helpful.

Good to know. Thanks.

None of these states passing these laws can even pay for their own infrastructure.

So much for that whole "taking responsibility for our decisions" nonsense.

Also, if you're gonna discuss religion, then you should know that there's a fairly plausible non-supernatural explanation for how Mary became pregnant with Jesus without having sexual relations with Joseph. It's not even particularly interesting when you think about it.

Religious flamewar isn't allowed on HN. No more of this, please.

See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32200805.

Please go back to 1400 in your time machine. Those of us who live in the 21st century have no interest in your medieval fantasies.

The only controversy is that your parents, your peers have totally warped your world view to remove compassion, logic and reason. If it wasn’t so such a deadly result for the rest of us, I would say it was sad. But we must not be sad, me must call out a destructive though process that actively regresses humanity and ensure that it cannot harm others.

You broke the site guidelines very badly several times in this thread. Even compared to the other religious flamewar comments in this thread, yours were particularly aggressive, particularly personal, and particularly unacceptable.

Since you've been breaking the site guidelines egregiously in other threads as well (some examples below), I've banned this account until we get some indication that you intend to use HN properly in the future. Among other things, that means not using the site for ideological battle, flamewar, or personal attacks. If you want to commit to that, you can reach us at [email protected]. Please make sure to review the rules first: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31997209

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32036852

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32103379

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32125093

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32124237

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32103379

I’m sorry dang. I’ve gone too far. I’ll take a break for a while.