So nobody downloads the app? Or are you afraid that other app users don't care about your needs, and are trying to force them into agreeing with you?

The government offers a democratic way to determine these requirements

When we tried to restrict cookie tracking via voluntary consent, every site installed an cookie consent overlay, where agreeing to cookies is one click, not agreeing is seventy-eight clicks.

Almost every site I've had this pop-up on required no more than 2-5 clicks -> manage cookie options -> either select ok because everything but 'required' is already off or deselect a couple of options then ok. That's easy after doing it a couple of times, it's pure laziness to say that's too hard, and we should not accept that as a good excuse to remove it.

It’s easy but very annoying. Especially when you have a secure setup that randomizes identifiers or removes cookies after the session such that the next session and every session after that you get the prompt. And how many people do you think actually take the time to deselect things? Your example here is the simplest case. Many sites it’s much more than 5-7 clicks as the pop up has a tabbed interface with 10+ checkboxes per tab. What was this supposed to accomplish again? Harass users?

> So nobody downloads the app?

Some apps are unavoidable for most people, like whatsapp or facebook.

WhatsApp is avoidable with this same law forcing interoperability with other messaging clients. Facebook's app is avoidable with a browser and Facebook.com . Actually WhatsApp's app is avoidable in the same way.

They’re all avoidable by just not using them. Use that fancy text message feature of your phone to communicate. 30 years ago these apps didn’t exist and people somehow continued to exist without them.

Implying SMS is anywhere near comparable to modern-day IM is hilarious, it isn't even encrypted. RCS makes SMS look archaic.

Future is Matrix.

Because everybody needs their conversations encrypted. What was that liberal saying, what are you hiding? Most people are not targeted by some state actor

Dude, get with the times. With a few bucks of hardware, anybody can intercept SMS all day long, that's why 2FA via SMS is considered bad form.

Ok, now tell me why i want to snoop on my neighbors SMS? Or why they want to see me asking my wife what to make for dinner?

Are you aware of man in the middle attacks? Do you think encrypted channels are safe from state actors?

Also most phones don’t even use SMS anymore, and instead go through an encrypted server to make it so you can hide your traffic from your neighbors.

Get with reality, not everybody wants or needs what your selling here.

It isn't about neighbours, it is about criminals.

Of course I am aware of this.

Spend $16 and sit in a coffee shop for an hour, guarantee you'll intercept plenty of SMS: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/03/16-at...

Not selling anything here considering every reasonable solution to this problem is something offered for free, or can be mitigated by a user with FOSS.

Yea totally normal for a majority to use SMS in my country when both platforms send messages through their own encrypted servers. I don’t have this problem, nobody in my family does, so now explain to me why I should use matrix?

Those are very avoidable. Try work apps like slack, teams, concur.

I just bridge them to Matrix, and get it all in Element.

We get that you like matrix.

But do you also get that I'm autistic and can go on about things to the point of pissing off complete strangers?

Fortunately HN has "you're posting too fast" rate controls.