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Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:05AM (#32135538)
I was on the team. Ama
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by gnicholas on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:12AM (#32135569)
Surely the students identified for the team have other talents as well, and being on the team makes pursuing them more difficult. How did being on the team shape who you became, where you went to college, what you studied, etc.? Any regrets?
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @10:59AM (#32139160)
This question asks exactly what I wanted to talk about regarding the team, and what people may not realize reading this article.

This may sound like a stretch, but the Buchholz math team and Mr Frazer are probably the single biggest life-changing factor in my life so far, and in a lot of my teammates' as well. The effect that Frazer's culture puts on his students over their (potentially) 7-year career with him through middle and high school just dominos throughout college and your career. The team shaped who I am, where I went to school, and what I studied greatly, which I am so unbelievably thankful for (which I will get into at the end).

Most of the smartest people I know are friends I made on the team. To put it simply, these kids are so driven that being able to pursue a talent outside of the math team is certainly feasible. Now, almost everyone on the math team is taking the hardest classes they can at the school, a lot of which doing so with almost perfect GPAs. But the math team is very time consuming, and I think a lot of the team members share the ideology that there isn't a more valuable talent to expand upon in high school than math.

I was unfortunately only on the team for 2 short years, because I moved to a different state (and the year we lost both state and nationals is the year I went to both competitions, unfortunate correlation). As smart as the kids are on the team, Frazer's game plan is so well made at this point, it teaches you how to win. This means success is more correlated to hard work than intelligence in most cases.

My biggest regret about being the team is not working harder. I really feel like I was lazy and didn't take it as seriously as I should have, but looking back I don't think it affected my trajectory much. Fortunately, after I moved I tried to keep the Frazer culture with me, made friends with the smartest people at my new school, and I matured and worked harder. Absolutely none of which would have happened without the math team.

I am now doing computer science at a top 10 school and interning at a large tech company this summer. I am extremely thankful for where I am, much of which I attribute to Mr. Frazer. Plenty other students have far more inspiring stories than I have, come from lower socioeconomic statuses than I come from, or ended up in a better school than where I ended up. Thanks for letting me write that.

Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by rpois on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:16AM (#32135580)
What do you think the article omits/gets wrong about the story, if anything?
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @11:49AM (#32139708)
I would say it understates the impact it has on the kids' lives. See my reply to gnicholas.
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by PeterStuer on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:38AM (#32135657)
First of all gratz on the success!

My question to you is what are some typical criticisms your team gets from competitors or other sources?

Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @10:18AM (#32138680)
For some, it's because Buchholz uses actual class time as team prep time, I think some schools can't get past the bureaucracy to allow that. For a month over the summer, we learned about 4 hours a day from the class above us / Frazer, then for another 4 hours taught the class below us.

I think the state/national runner ups, American Heritage has copied this in class teaching method, among other Frazer tactics.

Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by hoseja on Monday July 18, 2022 @08:11AM (#32137337)
Is the composition so ethnically skewed as the photos suggest?
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @10:06AM (#32138526)
When I was on the team it was 2/3 Asian, 1/3 white, one black member, and one Native American member.
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by sbierwagen on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:04PM (#32142137)
>one black member

ADOS, or recent African immigrant?

Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:54PM (#32142822)
Parents were African immigrants
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by strikelaserclaw on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:14PM (#32142270)
were most the students parents from "professional" backgrounds?
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by lordnacho on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:51AM (#32135729)
How do I get some interesting problems for my kid to look at? Starting at the bottom
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @10:00AM (#32138452)
Mu Alpha Theta old tests, you can start at regional level for a given subject, then to increase difficulty go to state, then nationals.

Art of Problem Solving is also something Frazer swears by and is a good resource.

Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by gfd on Monday July 18, 2022 @10:29AM (#32138816)
I don't recognize the contest name although I did math contests a long time (over ten years) ago.

Why aren't AMC/AIME/USAMO/IMO mentioned?

Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @11:02AM (#32139193)
We did take those, but the main focus of the math team is Mu Alpha Theta. I'm guessing it's a bit of a positive feedback loop of "we have the best material for MAO tests, and we place the highest in MAO competitions". Also, Frazer even writes tests for some regional MAO competitions that Buchholz competes in.
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by bobsmooth on Monday July 18, 2022 @04:36PM (#32143315)
How refreshing was it to be surrounded by people that care about learning?
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @09:12PM (#32146247)
Probably one of the best things the math team has taught me after I left was to surround myself with people of the same desires, in this case, learning. I think that ideology truly paid off in spades throughout my life since then. I'd always worried about being "cool" in school, and I'd say I still try to find that work hard / play hard balance, as cliche as it sounds. The math team introduced me to people who weren't necessarily "cool", but wanted what I wanted: good grades, a good career, etc. Now, later on in my life, surrounding myself with the smartest people has made a massive positive impact on my life.
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by newswasboring on Monday July 18, 2022 @03:24AM (#32135614)
Do you think this system has other advantages than preparing teams? Like can this be used as a mode of teaching for advanced math?
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @11:18AM (#32139370)
The content that Frazer teaches should be standard, flat out. The competition style of math has so many more practical applications than the shit they call common core in the state of Florida.

Now, we did all of Geometry and Algebra II (Frazer's competition courses, not just regular courses) in a year. When students are excited about learning, and you make it fun, you can really throw a lot of material at them.

But any part of Frazer's "system" outside of the content I think pretty irrelevant for regular teaching, like him using class time to teach competition material. That's just how math class is for every other kid. 8 hours a day for a month over the summer learning and teaching math? Hard to organize that without having a team, among other things.

Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by qxfys on Monday July 18, 2022 @05:00AM (#32136080)
1. How old were you when Frazer spotted your talent? 2. Agewise, when did you know you are good at math?
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @10:04AM (#32138500)
I was in middle school, I did a math summer camp run by the team where they scout talent, then took a placement test at the end of the summer and scored pretty well on it. Was on the team starting 8th grade, would take classes at the high school.

Honestly, as early as I can remember learning math. I always did "math club" in school. My parents always stressed it and it always interested me. I would say I started loving math once I joined the Buchholz team though.

Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by dopeboy on Monday July 18, 2022 @02:40PM (#32141780)
Can you talk about your teammates / peers? What were their interests? Personality types?
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by SiempreViernes on Monday July 18, 2022 @10:16AM (#32138656)
Did you ever spend organised time helping students outside of the team?
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @10:25AM (#32138756)
Not sure if there is really an "outside of the team" lol, but for a month over the summer, we learned about 4 hours a day from the class above us / Frazer, then for another 4 hours taught the class below us.
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by koolba on Monday July 18, 2022 @06:09AM (#32136451)
Is the curriculum listed online?
Re:A public school in Florida built America’s greatest math ... by M3L0NM4N on Monday July 18, 2022 @10:00AM (#32138442)
It's a bit of a closely guarded secret, but it's basically everything that shows up on Mu Alpha Theta tests, which you can find online.