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Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by Jenk on Sunday July 17, 2022 @01:46PM (#32129135)
I used Firefox in the early-mid 00s, switched to Chrome not long after launch, after my colleagues showed me how much slicker is was than a now fairly heavy Firefox (at the time.)

Then evil Google emerges, Chrome got fat, FF trimmed up and went privacy-as-a-default, and I'm back on FF again for the better part of the last decade.

Opera had a look-in around 2008 but it didn't last long, although some of the features were nicely done, it just had a clunky feeling and the rendering was ... Different.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by chappi42 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:16PM (#32130139)
I never switched to Chrome, always used Firefox.

But it increasingly got more config-involving to make FF do what I wanted and maybe I overdid some settings/plugins and websites started to show incorrectly. Also the imho (much) too high salary for the CEO annoyed me (Mozilla is supposed to be "Internet for people, not profit").

Tried Brave and it was a nice experience after some initial cost to e.g. disable crypto. Some weeks ago I uninstalled FF on all my computers...

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by iknowstuff on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:43PM (#32131025)
Given that Brave is a for-profit business backed by VC money[1], sooner or later it'll become what you hate and you will find yourself wishing there was a browser ran by a strong non-profit like Mozilla.

That being said, perhaps they should just piggyback off WebKit/Blink and save themselves a ton of resources.

[1] https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/brave-software

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by chappi42 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:55PM (#32131773)
I'm aware that Brave is a for-profit company, this must not necessarily mean that they'll do evil things. And if they would and Mozilla is no longer around, this could also be because Google stopped funding them.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by BuyMyBitcoins on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:06PM (#32131277)
Mozilla may be a non-profit but there’s a saying: “non profit doesn’t mean they don’t make money”.

It’s not too difficult to disable, but Firefox does push suggestions by default and has a revenue sharing agreement with Pocket.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by Lev1a on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:34PM (#32131586)
> Firefox [...] has a revenue sharing agreement with Pocket

"Mozilla Corporation" bought Pocket in 2017.

Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_(service) :

> On February 27, 2017, Pocket announced that it had been acquired by Mozilla Corporation, the commercial arm of Firefox's non-profit development group. Mozilla staff stated that Pocket would continue to operate as an independent subsidiary but that it would be leveraged as part of an ongoing "Context Graph" project.[6] There are plans to open-source the server-side code of Pocket,[11][12][13] with more than 50 repositories already available on the company's GitHub account, including their iOS app.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by BuyMyBitcoins on Monday July 18, 2022 @01:26AM (#32134998)
I stand partially corrected! Didn’t realize they were acquired but they are still using pocket for revenue.

In fact, this little nugget supports my original post: “the commercial arm of Firefox's non-profit development group”

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by cedilla on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:40PM (#32131646)
Pocket has been acquired by Mozilla a few years ago.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by monetus on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:00PM (#32130639)
It is kind of a conundrum. The Mozilla situation seems clearly to be self serving and crippling the potential of the browser. The CEO's pay exemplary of that - and similar situations are there with brave. The founder was forced out of Mozilla for a reason, but setting that aside, the liberty they took with collecting crypto for businesses while those businesses were unaware put me off of them in a profound way. The niche the browser itself fills is obviously good but the methods seem... off, not malicious intent, just questionable. Changing the ad economy isn't bad for example, a great driving motivation.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by causality0 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:29PM (#32131517)
The worst thing about using Firefox is that the longer you use it the more things you have done to un-fuck it and the more work it is to replicate all those things on a new system.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by divs1210 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:13PM (#32130763)
Same! I switched from FF to Brave a few months back, and I'm liking it a lot.

I miss a few features, but nothing major.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by retrocryptid on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:14PM (#32131359)
I used to work with Brendan and despite being trans felt he sorta got the shaft from Mozilla. I know everyone was upset with him, but for a year and a half I worked with him and he was never anything but cordial to me... an out trans queer person.

So when he launched Brave I wanted to give it the benefit if the doubt. But the early messaging about what conditions ads are replaced was hamfisted and I stopped using it relatively quickly.

That being said... all the browsers (FF, Brave, Chrome, Safari, etc.) embody the agenda of their respective organizations. The question you may want to ask is "what organization has the most motivation to address issues I care about most?"

This is why I use Lynx.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by wyclif on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:41PM (#32134386)
I don't know Brendan, but I agree that from everything I've gathered he was treated very badly by Mozilla and then to make matters worse he was woke mobbed. Absolutely lost respect for Mozilla after that. The CEO issue, to a lesser degree, indicates to me that they don't really understand how to run a tech company properly.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by triyambakam on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:33PM (#32131570)
Yep! Lifetime FF user and I switched to Brave a few weeks ago. It took a little while to get used to the interface but otherwise enjoying it.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by jshen on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:04PM (#32131255)
How much was the CEO getting paid?
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by 6510 on Monday July 18, 2022 @12:47AM (#32134789)
I'm no expert, just reading web pages: Apparently Firefox market share dropped from 30% to 3.46 over the same time her income went from 500 k to 4 million.

An old write up: https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by jshen on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @02:45PM (#32156146)
A few million seems reasonable to me. It’s less than a CEO of a tech company makes.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by 6510 on Friday July 22, 2022 @01:10AM (#32188748)
I dunno, for a non profit the % administrative overhead is apparently ridiculous.

Clueless as I am I had a look at page 6-7 of https://nonprofitlight.com/page/6 where we find helm men of charities earning around 4 m.

This entry strikes me as funny:

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https://nonprofitlight.com/ny/new-york/trustees-of-columbia-...

TRUSTEES OF COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK

Total Revenue $5,554,552,356

Total Expenses $5,268,492,284

Net Assets $15,984,284,555

Lawrence Gerald Lenke PROFESSOR OF SURGERY $4,741,060

OR ----------

https://nonprofitlight.com/ky/louisville/university-of-louis...

UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION

Total Revenue $126,934,461

Total Expenses $122,421,563

Net Assets $126,332,991

Fredric Scott Satterfield Head Football Coach $4,140,900

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https://nonprofitlight.com/ca/mountain-view/mozilla-foundati...

MOZILLA FOUNDATION

Total Revenue $28,388,184

Total Expenses $21,889,786

Net Assets $53,411,636

Mark Surman EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR/PRESIDENT $286,990

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Right, now I'm more clueless than I started out.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by kitd on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:10PM (#32130073)
Chrome got fat

Vivaldi works quite well as a thinner Chrome alternative IMO.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by wyclif on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:42PM (#32134393)
Or you can just use Brave if you're still OK with a Chromium-based browser but are concerned about privacy.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by go2europa on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:10PM (#32131323)
do you have any recommended extensions for auto-hibernating tabs? or how do you approach having many tabs? having no built-in way to do it is unfortunate but I'm really liking the other tab features
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by geogra4 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:26PM (#32130879)
Big Vivaldi fan here.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by tppiotrowski on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:08PM (#32130048)
The right click mouse gestures of Opera were great for quickly navigating back/forward and creating new tabs.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by chx on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:16PM (#32131373)
I never stopped using them. I never could stop using them, it feels so clumsy to work a PC without gestures. I am currently using StrokesPlus.net for this purpose, I am sure there are others.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by 6510 on Monday July 18, 2022 @01:03AM (#32134868)
Long ago MyIE2 had the most sophisticated mouse gestures. For example: One could select some text, drag it and it would search. (I had search configured to open non advertisement results in background tabs) If the text contained any links it in stead opened each of them in tabs to the right. So you selected the entire menu of the blog and tossed it to the right. There were gestures to move to the tab on the left or right but also to close the current tab AND move to the left or right. This was important to dig though an enormous pile of preloaded tabs you still had to look at. Things went so fast I got tired after surfing for a few hours.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by chx on Monday July 18, 2022 @09:06PM (#32146205)
When the spying allegations surfaced I kinda lost interest in maxthon, how is it these days?
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by 6510 on Friday July 22, 2022 @12:52AM (#32188653)
Maxthon was not that good, I lost interest in it. Lets have a look... https://forum.maxthon.com Well, it seems quite hilarious. It supports chrome add-ons [sic] and..

> ...Create and manage blockchain identities and assets. > ...access blockchain content... > ...Encapsulate the blockchain technology ... enabling developers to build powerful Apps.

The 2020 forum posts describes mx6 as:

> The main browser features of mx6 will be developed based on a deeply customized chromium code base and existing mx5 codebase. All bitcoin related features will be developed by Maxthon team. Mx6 also has an open API to enable other developers to integrate their code.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by skoskie on Monday July 18, 2022 @08:46PM (#32146049)
Vivaldi offers that feature.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by avereveard on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:30PM (#32130918)
Same path, the late xulrunner runtime was squeaking around all corners and chrome came out at Firefox weakest moment, it spread trough my friends circles like wildlife.

I went back to Firefox just because of Chrome api change against adblockers, and found it very usable and mature, but it's a tougher sell to my friends as the difference unnoticeable

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by pmoleri on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:55PM (#32131152)
Around 2012 my 6GB Ram laptop was struggling with Chrome, I switched to FF and got much better experience there. Then with FF Quantum release I adopted it definitely.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by spurgu on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:18PM (#32130168)
I'd switch to Firefox in a heartbeat if I could somehow focus the URL bar with Cmd+D instead of Cmd+L (years of muscle memory with Alt+D on Linux previously).

Other browsers have a menu entry for this (File -> Open Location... in Chrome) so keyboard shortcuts can be switched in the Keyboard settings but Firefox doesn't have this. :|

I've tried various methods without success. If anyone had a working solution I'd be very grateful.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by dan-robertson on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:24PM (#32130857)
I think it may be possible to change browser shortcuts with a custom UserChrome.js but it is very much going down a nonstandard path.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by spurgu on Thursday July 21, 2022 @05:08PM (#32185098)
I've tried various add-ons as well as modifying omni.ja (requires re-zipping it on Linux because zip is compiled with different flags on Mac making the omni.ja not work with FF).

This issue requires action from Mozilla, there are no user solutions as far as I'm aware.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by bussierem on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:51PM (#32130538)
I'm on Windows 10 with FF right now and Alt+D just worked for me, along with Cmd+L and F6 as other have said. I think your muscle memory should be just fine. Time to switch!
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by spurgu on Sunday July 17, 2022 @06:41PM (#32132211)
Time to switch to Windows? :o

Edit: I moved off Windows around 2005 followed by a decade of Linux and since then Mac.

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by bussierem on Sunday July 17, 2022 @07:57PM (#32132849)
Oh haha I assumed windows since you said you used to be on linux, and Mac doesn't have an Alt key! My mistake. Well at the very least it seems there are FF plugins that allow you to modify shortcuts, so you could probably rebind Option+D to the same control as Cmd+L/F6 and that might work.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by siegecraft on Monday July 18, 2022 @01:08PM (#32140633)
You can do this with karabiner-elements (https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/) by remapping cmd-l to cmd-d. I believe you can even add a condition to make the mapping only active in firefox, but I haven't tested that.

Here is a rule that does it (only for left command, but that's probably sufficient): https://genesy.github.io/karabiner-complex-rules-generator/#...

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by mixmastamyk on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:15PM (#32130782)
Option+D would be the analogue on Mac.

This might work: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/shortkeys/

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by spurgu on Sunday July 17, 2022 @06:43PM (#32132223)
> Option+D would be the analogue on Mac.

For me it's "the key to the left of the spacebar" in terms of muscle memory, so Cmd on Mac.

Tried it, as well as modifying omni.ja... From the add-on page (I tried it):

> shortkeys cannot override Firefox default shortcuts

Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by mixmastamyk on Saturday July 30, 2022 @10:10PM (#32292506)
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by kavothe on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:33PM (#32130353)
Just press F6 and it'll focus into the URL bar
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by bl4ckcontact on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:24PM (#32130236)
If I recall, F6 should get what you’re after.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by spurgu on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:36PM (#32130392)
As I said I want it specifically to be Cmd+D (instead of the default Cmd+L).
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by atwood22 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:00PM (#32130649)
It would be pretty trivial to write an extension that does that.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by dan-robertson on Sunday July 17, 2022 @04:22PM (#32130844)
I don't think Firefox extensions can do this sort of thing.
Re:I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome by atwood22 on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:03PM (#32131235)
Yea you’re right. Looks like they removed the ability of extensions to do that back in 2017. Sad :(