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Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by baby on Saturday July 16, 2022 @02:33PM (#32120630)
You should be a able to change how URLs work for your own website. They're not making any promise of stability here.
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by pessimizer on Saturday July 16, 2022 @02:41PM (#32120712)
You can. The problem is that they're changing them to actively and intentionally circumvent the expressed wills of people visiting their site.

I'm allowed to move my arms like I want, but that doesn't give me the right to push people off cliffs.

Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by zaphirplane on Saturday July 16, 2022 @07:07PM (#32122768)
Very poor metaphor.

The will of the (informed) visitor doesn’t matter when they are visiting a place. I can’t have an intention to take a painting from a museum, ranging about the museum making it hard

Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by jefftk on Saturday July 16, 2022 @03:19PM (#32121053)
Should we also ban sites formatting their pages so that you can't easily block their ads?
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by dredmorbius on Saturday July 16, 2022 @07:03PM (#32122743)
That's changing the topic and avoiding the question.

It's also further defending hostile dark patterns and evading explicitly expressed personal intent.

The browser is a user agent, not a publisher or advertiser agent.

Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by birksherty on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:35AM (#32125517)
Yes, this kind of tricks by corporations.
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by zakki on Saturday July 16, 2022 @06:07PM (#32122394)
I believe the problem is not the ads but the tracking.
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by jefftk on Saturday July 16, 2022 @06:37PM (#32122597)
Formatting pages to make ad blocking difficult is another example of websites making a conscious choice to thwart user intent.

In both cases, sites are attempting to tie content consumption to content monetization, and users are attempting to get the content without the monetization because they dislike side effects of the monetization.

Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by dorgo on Saturday July 16, 2022 @07:06PM (#32122761)
Most websites track users. Even if they don't try to monetize content or show ads.
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by wahnfrieden on Saturday July 16, 2022 @07:17PM (#32122830)
you're ignoring political purposes, and the political engagement of even the most vocally apolitical orgs. and you're ignoring abuse of access granted through neglect
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by teddyh on Saturday July 16, 2022 @05:14PM (#32122045)
Intent matters.
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by jefftk on Saturday July 16, 2022 @05:18PM (#32122069)
Many sites do this very intentionally, including Facebook. Look sometime at the markup on their "sponsored" disclosures
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by nextaccountic on Sunday July 17, 2022 @03:39AM (#32125136)
I would be in favor
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by chrischen on Saturday July 16, 2022 @05:21PM (#32122098)
I guess they should just be done with it and say if you don’t opt in don’t use FB.
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by Sakos on Monday July 18, 2022 @02:03AM (#32135207)
Not when it impacts peoples' right to privacy and control over their own data. Do you work for Facebook?
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by birksherty on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:34AM (#32125511)
I'm all in for making this kind behaviour illegal by big corporations which is used by large population.
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by baby on Sunday July 17, 2022 @05:47AM (#32125551)
This is a bold opinion
Re:Ask HN: What is with the new URLs on facebook.com? by birksherty on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:56PM (#32134083)
The times I've seen these corporations doing cunning harmful actions, I've left with zero sympathies for them.