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Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by ccooffee on Friday July 15, 2022 @03:59PM (#32112118)
What lessons are to be learned by the process of the JWST? I'm amazed that such an ambitious project, which required many advances in the "state of the art" has been successful so far, even with the 12 year delay.

It gives me hope for reversing climate change, though the scale and scope of the projects are absurdly different. 1000 gigatons of CO2 is a lot, but we'll have to start somewhere.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by blamazon on Friday July 15, 2022 @08:49PM (#32114310)
I listened to an interview on NPR with someone else who was a leader on JWST and the host asked this leader if there was ever a time when it all felt hopeless, that things were doomed to fail. The leader said: no, never. When they encountered a major issue, or a costly mistake was made, the team did not despair or point fingers. Instead, they just added time to the schedule, and worked to figure out how to solve the issue and move on to the next problem. This person also noted that pretty much everyone involved felt they were working towards the greatest achievement of their lives.
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by igmor on Saturday July 16, 2022 @01:54AM (#32115582)
I also listened to NPR with a couple of scientists who has worked on JWST and they said there were times when they felt pretty down on news JWST would get cancelled or NiRCam would need to get removed from the program.

Edit: it's this one https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101889805/the-james-webb-tele...

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by q1w2 on Friday July 15, 2022 @10:10PM (#32114685)
It's not over yet - the micro-meteor strikes so far have been at a FAR higher rate than expected, and unless they turn out to be a statistical outliers, the lifespan of JWST is drastically reduced below expectations.

This could still turn out to be a big disappointment if it goes offline within the year.

I wonder how hard it is to launch a shield to protect it.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by avalys on Friday July 15, 2022 @11:45PM (#32115062)
The telescope has had the mirror deployed for 6 months and so far it has had a single micrometeroid strike that exceeded expectations, and did some minor damage to a single mirror segment.

Even if this continues at roughly the same rate, the telescope will continue to function within the initial design specification for at least another year or two, and will be far from "offline within a year".

You can't extrapolate anything from a single event. It could have just been bad luck. If another one happens this year - then it's worth some concern.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by muppetman on Friday July 15, 2022 @11:48PM (#32115072)
I'm interested in the "strikes higher than expected" all I can find online is the one big strike a couple of weeks ago. Is there details online about the number it's getting?
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by widerporst on Saturday July 16, 2022 @05:21AM (#32116406)
As of yet, there was only this one big strike that is a real problem. The frequency of micrometeoroids of this size and energy was predicted to be fairly low, so it isn't certain yet if this was extremely bad luck or if these events are more frequent than anticipated (which would be very bad news).

The JWST performance report[1] says on page 18/19: "It is not yet clear whether the May 2022 hit to segment C3 was a rare event (i.e. an unlucky early strike by a high kinetic energy micrometeoroid that statistically might occur only once in several years), or whether the telescope may be more susceptible to damage by micrometeoroids than pre-launch modeling predicted."

[1]: https://www.stsci.edu/files/live/sites/www/files/home/jwst/d...

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by pja on Saturday July 16, 2022 @03:33AM (#32115987)
It had one micrometeoroid strike that was larger than expected. This might mean the rate of strikes will be much larger than predicted, or it might be that we were just unlucky.

We'll know more in a few months.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by bjtitus on Friday July 15, 2022 @10:30PM (#32114773)
> if it goes offline within the year

This would be a >95% reduction in lifespan. I'm really curious what source suggests anything close to such a colossal failure in the predicted meteoroid environment.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by thombat on Saturday July 16, 2022 @04:28AM (#32116204)
Problem is, you don't want to protect it from photons...
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by harshreality on Friday July 15, 2022 @04:13PM (#32112259)
That managing projects require a combination of social ability

> he can go into a room, he can sit in a cafeteria, and by the time he leaves the cafeteria, he knows half of the people.

and ability to think technically/rationally

> He earned a bachelor’s in math from Virginia Union and a bachelor’s in electrical engineering from Howard.

...to be able to carefully reason through what's required for a technical project, and get stakeholders on board.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by WastingMyTime89 on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:06PM (#32119386)
> …to be able to carefully reason through what's required for a technical project, and get stakeholders on board.

You don’t really have to do that anymore once you are a program director. There are people under you who do.

You need a lot of experience with how projects are managed and how work packages interact however and I don’t really see how you can get that if you didn’t do a job where you actually had to carefully reason through what’s required before.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by wolverine876 on Friday July 15, 2022 @04:20PM (#32112321)
I don't doubt Robinson's technical ability at all, but the credential that matters is the track record at NASA. Bachelors degrees in math and EE don't signify much at all; plenty of irrational thinking and people in SV have better STEM degrees than that. Personally, I'd trust someone more if one of the degrees was in the humanities, showing an ability to deal with questions that aren't solvable with algorithms.
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by ChrisMarshallNY on Friday July 15, 2022 @05:16PM (#32112894)
My most brilliant engineer had a high school diploma.

He regularly stunned the Ph.Ds in Japan, and they were no slouches.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by vba616 on Friday July 15, 2022 @06:17PM (#32113362)
Lewis Hamilton started karting at about 8 years old. I don't even follow F1; I guessed that, and Googled it to confirm, because that's how all race drivers start - let alone the best ever.

It would be a different, and strange, world where people typically got to be professional drivers by taking out loans at 18 to buy brand new 500 hp sports cars and majoring in "Race Car Driving" at universities.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by bigiain on Friday July 15, 2022 @10:56PM (#32114864)
Counter example, Max Biaggi. 3 times runner up in MotoGP (or 500cc), and 2 time World Superbike Champion.

“ Biaggi was more interested in football as a child. But in 1989, after he was given a motorcycle for his seventeenth birthday, he began his racing career in the 125cc class at age eighteen.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Biaggi

Definitely not “typical”, but you don’t _have_ to be a child prodigy to be a world champion (motorcycle) racer.

(Sadly, I suspect the one guaranteed indicator of world champion potential in motor racing is being a “rich kid”. )

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by vba616 on Friday July 15, 2022 @11:52PM (#32115088)
Yes, "all" was an exaggeration.

But "racing in the 125cc class" vs. the sort of person who begins on a liter bike sort of amounts to the same kind of dichotomy I was thinking of.

People who have a career in one sport, may grow up playing a different sport, but they were still likely doing something that demanded endurance, strength, and coordination.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by bigiain on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:30AM (#32115238)
Yeah.

I would suggest though, that the jump from “500hp sports car” to F1 is quite a lot bigger than 125cc GP bike (or Moto3 these days) to a premier class MotoGP (or 500cc GP) bike.

Those things were tiny little jewels of pure race bike, a world apart from even my Cagiva Mito (125cc sports street bike).

I’ve ridden a friends late 90s vintage Honda RS125 at a track day, and it’s such a joy to ride, beautifully precise - and way way more capable that I’ll ever be on a racetrack. I could match my own personal best lap times on my 900cc Ducati, but the club level racers could do 10 seconds a lap or so faster than me on their 125GP bikes, and the GP riders from 5 or 6 years earlier when the World Championship ran on the same track were almost 10 seconds faster in races than the club guys.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by vba616 on Saturday July 16, 2022 @03:26AM (#32115952)
Originally, I was making an analogy to ordinary people, who become mundane professionals. People don't normally start learning to read, write, or program in undergraduate classes.

"the jump from “500hp sports car” to F1 is quite a lot bigger..." is what I was trying to say; someone imagining a career pipeline might point out that the power level is numerically closer, but in fact, that doesn't capture the proximity.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by simonh on Saturday July 16, 2022 @05:26AM (#32116426)
In fact I’d agree and go even further. I expect driving a sports car on the road is no preparation for GP driving whatsoever. Seriously, go cart racing is a thousand times closer.
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by Spooky23 on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:19AM (#32115191)
The smartest programmer I ever worked with was a musician by education.

He ended up building an open source app in a few months that attracted a bunch of attention and moved into a big FANG type company doing development.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by motoboi on Friday July 15, 2022 @06:19PM (#32113380)
Yeah, but can he make decisions with incomplete information in the middle of department fights being aware of backstabbing?

This is what put projects on track again.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by ChrisMarshallNY on Friday July 15, 2022 @09:21PM (#32114480)
That was my job. I was his manager.
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by ligerzer0 on Friday July 15, 2022 @04:06PM (#32112195)
What I find scary is that we might invest lots of resources into "reversing" climate change, and while under this belief that the reversal is just around the corner, we let the degradation continue at unnecessary rates, pretty much creating a race between the ability to reverse it, and it reaching a point of no reversal
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by KerrAvon on Friday July 15, 2022 @04:34PM (#32112492)
What's scary is that we might not invest any resources either to deal with or reverse climate change, because the billionaires in charge are planning to jet to New Zealand until the waters recede (they're not generally very bright).
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by mrguyorama on Friday July 15, 2022 @06:54PM (#32113614)
They aren't smart, but they are old and they know that. The don't expect to live long enough to see the bad shit they are causing, so they don't care.
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by donkarma on Friday July 15, 2022 @08:11PM (#32114086)
Billionaires have kids so
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by Sunspark on Friday July 15, 2022 @10:12PM (#32114697)
You are making the assumption that they care about their kids. A sociopath thinks only of themselves.
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by bigiain on Friday July 15, 2022 @10:58PM (#32114874)
I dunno why you’re being downvoted, when the richest guy in the world has a daughter who’s changing her name to avoid being associated with him…
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by bryananderson on Friday July 15, 2022 @11:18PM (#32114947)
True, but not that many people are true sociopaths. Much more common among “bad” people is garden-variety self-centeredness with lots of rationalization. Everyone has selfish instincts, but very few people can sleep at night if they see themselves as a bad guy. Fortunately for them, humans are ridiculously good at mental gymnastics to subdue that cognitive dissonance.
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by bigiain on Friday July 15, 2022 @11:50PM (#32115078)
Not many people are billionaires either, and anecdotal evidence (or maybe just internet pundits assertions?) suggests there’s probably some strong correlation between the two.

“Everybody has selfish instincts“, but the magnitude of “selfishness” required to amass a wealth of a billion dollars is way way beyond “normal”. Whether that guarantees sociopathy or not is not a simple question I guess.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by bryananderson on Sunday July 17, 2022 @10:13PM (#32133792)
That’s fair, it’s definitely plausible that the process of becoming a billionaire does select for sociopathy or similar traits. Still, this is far from scientific, but any time I read in-depth about bad (in my view) people, I’ve always been struck by the seemingly low incidence of true sociopathy among them. Corrupt politicians, robber barons, mobsters, warlords, lackeys of authoritarian regimes—you see some who read like a list of sociopathy markers[0], but seemingly more who do not, who had people in their lives who they clearly loved, activities that brought them joy, and so on.

It’s a very different and more extreme example, but I remember being really struck by this when I first visited the US Holocaust Museum: even if some at the top were true sociopaths, many of the major perpetrators who were profiled at the museum were seemingly psychologically “normal” people who committed unthinkable acts (often because that was the way to climb the ladder in the hierarchy) and rationalized them somehow so they could sleep at night. To me that was just terrifying: I’d always sort of thought that the people who did these things must have been so abnormal as to be barely recognizable as human, but if they weren’t, what then? Then it could happen anywhere and to anybody if we don’t get serious about teaching moral courage. The Germans today know this very well, but I’m not sure Americans (and presumably others) absorbed the lesson.

I think it’s tempting to try to explain terrible people as being fundamentally different from oneself, because then we don’t have to worry about how not to become like them. It’s rather scary to think that they’re not so different, but if they’re not, we have to ask ourselves what we’d do different if we found ourselves in their position, whether that’s running a little startup that turned into a big corporation or serving in the Dutch state bureaucracy in 1940.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disor...

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by bigiain on Sunday July 17, 2022 @11:49PM (#32134433)
I see the "psychopathy 1200% over represented in CEOs" quite a lot. Not sure of the veracity of that claim, but a quick Google reveals this:

"Roughly 4% to as high as 12% of CEOs exhibit psychopathic traits, according to some expert estimates, many times more than the 1% rate found in the general population and more in line with the 15% rate found in prisons."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackmccullough/2019/12/09/the-p...

Somewhere between 1 in 8 and 1 in 25 CEOs "exhibit psychopathic traits". I'd guess there's a very strong overlap between those CEOs and billionaires.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by JadeNB on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:06AM (#32115138)
> True, but not that many people are true sociopaths. Much more common among “bad” people is garden-variety self-centeredness with lots of rationalization.

When you're talking about billionaires, I think statistics from the general population aren't really relevant.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by hooande on Friday July 15, 2022 @07:08PM (#32113696)
It would take massive social change to dramatically slow the current rate of climate change. I would guess that it would politically require about the same amount of time as carbon capture / reduction technology.

Out of the blue, I'm thinking that everyone on earth would have to use 20%-30% less energy on a daily basis to effectively slow or reverse the process of climate change. Technological improvement seems much more realistic, to me.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by imiric on Friday July 15, 2022 @09:50PM (#32114618)
One hundred companies are responsible for 71% of global greenhouse gas emissions.[1]

Rather than trying to change the habits of everyone on earth, a more realistic goal would be to change a fraction of these corporate polluters.

Efforts to place the responsibility of climate change on individuals is mostly corporate propaganda. Not that altering our habits wouldn't be an improvement, but it's not addressing the main cause of the problem.

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10...

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by adhesive_wombat on Saturday July 16, 2022 @07:22AM (#32117002)
That's a measure of consolidation in the energy industry (a lot) and a measure of the proportion of anthropogenic carbon that comes from fossil fuels (also a lot, more than 71%, because there are more than 100 such companies). It wouldn't matter if that 71% of carbon was emitted by a million companies, or by one hyper-giant mega-corporation. Those fossil fuels were getting dug up and burned regardless of the logo on the side of the drilling rig.

Furthermore, as long as fossil fuels exist as a mainstream energy sources, fossil fuel companies, whether a great many small ones, or a few huge ones, will represent a very large proportion of the emissions. You can't change them, that's just literally what they are. You have to either stop them (e.g. make fossil fuel extraction illegal) or change everyone else to remove the market (e.g. encourage use of sustainables, including nuclear, everywhere).

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by cdelsolar on Friday July 15, 2022 @10:28PM (#32114767)
Why do you think companies exist? For customers…
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by bigiain on Friday July 15, 2022 @11:12PM (#32114922)
That’s a funny way to spell “shareholders”.

If you start something to benefit other people, you run a charity or a non profit.

Companies are started and run by people who want to make money for themselves and their investors. You might be using “benefitting our customers” as a tool in your profit-making, but it’s not why you get out of bed every morning (whether you admit it to yourself or not).

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by ratsforhorses on Saturday July 16, 2022 @01:07AM (#32115387)
Who are their customers? Other companies... honestly when you take a bit of perspective, the need for companies to make a profit is a huge cause of the overuse of resources... indeed the lack of a social net in the US is probably the cause of it huge part in the world's pollution...as in China the ability to work less or not at all isn't encouraged by the system in place...and please don't get me started on if you don't work who's producing the (junk) food... in WW2 the British poor actually eat better thanks to rationing... maybe less meat, ice cream, bread would be good for the world and the more developed countries...
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by bigiain on Friday July 15, 2022 @11:06PM (#32114905)
> It would take massive social change

The optimist in me observes that there really has been a “massive change” in renewable energy in the last few decades. Too little and too slow, perhaps, but who would have imagined 20 or 30 years ago that we’d have electricity prices dropping below zero at times because of an over abundance of wind and solar power?

I also believe that _people_ reducing their daily energy use by 30% is totally a realistic thing. Where I am (.au) the energy market is going crazy, with electricity retailers bumping prices by 30-50%, and even publicly advising customers to go elsewhere because their rates are going to jump by so much. Almost everybody I know has had discussions lately about what the best way to reduce energy use is. All these price rises are going to tart hitting peoples bills at the end of this month or quarter, and I’m positive those energy saving discussions are going to ramp up then.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by tsimionescu on Saturday July 16, 2022 @07:22AM (#32116993)
> I also believe that _people_ reducing their daily energy use by 30% is totally a realistic thing.

It is, but it will have more or less 0 effect on global warming if nothing else changes. The global shipping industry, manufacturing of trillions of tons of junk no one actually needs are the biggest problems. Cheap fashion, cheap gadgets, cheap toys, cheap home decor, cheap jewelry and many other things which go from resource in the ground to cheap junk back to landfill in less than a year, while directly producing CO2 in chemical refinent processes, and indirectly producing more CO2 in energy costs, and producing more CO2 to be shipped halfway across the globe.

And all propped up by a marketing and advertisement industry that works very hard to find new psychological tricks to manipulate adults and children to buy more of all of these.

Of course, other more useful industries are also massively wasteful - inordinate amounts of food are produced, transported around the world, stored in massive warehouses until they are no longer considered sellable, and then thrown away. Same with cars, furniture, appliances.

And let's not forget the vast amounts of computation being thrown away - most spectacularly by Bitcoin and Ethereum, but also by so many advertising AI projects, mobile "games" that are just slot machines without any payout, and just general waste (we've built our backend in JS and run it on a Python interpreter in a container in an x86 VM running on an ARM processor, in a cluster with three master nodes for 1 worker node because we have to be highly available for our 3 customers who open the app once every week).

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday July 16, 2022 @03:02AM (#32115844)
Hi from Tasmania.

I think what you mean is the wholesale spot price dropped below zero at some times due to an over production of electricity generated by renewables.

I'm not aware if any retail customers being paid to use electricity.

I'm not as optimistic as you about people reducing electricity consumption here in Australia, much of it is nondiscretionary.

What we need is federal level legislation to protect at least some of our gas and oil production for the local market, like Western Australia has.

Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by fnordpiglet on Friday July 15, 2022 @08:09PM (#32114073)
Don’t look up!
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by yaya69 on Friday July 15, 2022 @04:18PM (#32112304)
Plants
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by dylan604 on Friday July 15, 2022 @04:55PM (#32112720)
watered with what water?
Re:Greg Robinson fixed NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, re... by fnordpiglet on Friday July 15, 2022 @08:09PM (#32114072)
You mean from the toilet?