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Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by afavour on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:25AM (#32096451)
> it comes off as seeking return value for the action

Surely that’s in the eye of the beholder? It is possible to interpret it that way, certainly. But applying the observers value judgement (i.e. how it comes off) onto the original actor seems unfair to me.

Sometimes I feel like (and I don’t mean anything personal by this) we’re all cynical bastards these days so when we see someone do something genuinely altruistic we simply cannot process it as such and immediately seek a way to dismiss it as self-serving.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by haswell on Thursday July 14, 2022 @11:15AM (#32097064)
> we’re all cynical bastards these days so when we see someone do something genuinely altruistic we simply cannot process it as such and immediately seek a way to dismiss it as self-serving

The question to ask is where this cynicism came from.

I would argue that it is the performative variety of virtue that has made us mistrust such acts.

We wouldn’t have a reason to doubt one’s intentions if those intentions are indistinguishable on the surface from a popular meme, which is what many of these recorded acts of kindness seem to be.

Only the person carrying out the act knows the truth of what is in their heart, but I would argue that the very act of recording, bolstered by the act of publishing that recording reveals there are other motives involved.

After all, why does one post such a video? To participate in the incentive structure afforded by the social media platform of choice.

Those incentive structures are inherently about self promotion, which feels incompatible with virtue.

Now you could argue that I’m just being cynical about why people post on social media. Maybe that person has a genuine desire to brighten someone else’s day through their own act of kindness. Maybe the guy with the flowers was similarly genuine.

I think the video that is the focal point of this thread provides a good counterpoint to this. It made me uncomfortable when I first saw it (before this article emerged), and now I have a confirmation as to why. Even if the guy had every right intention, the incentive structure of social media overrode his better judgement and blinded him to the impact he was actually having.

I don’t think it is impossible to highlight one’s good work in an appropriate way, and I do think there’s an opportunity to inspire people to do good things, but I’m not convinced that this trend of social media posts has anything to do with that.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by vinyl7 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:45AM (#32096701)
> But the people in the soup kitchen see me serving the food. Anyone walking by might see me in the window.

The nuance here is that there's a difference being observed doing a kind act versus purposefully making it a public spectacle. I don't view people I observe doing something altruistic as self-seeking unless they try to "cash in" on it.

I would see someone helping a person in need and think "how kind of them!" But then later, if I see an Instagram post from that person saying "There was this person in need of help and I went over there and did something about it", then it can be seen as self-seeking.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by afavour on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:49AM (#32096768)
I actually erased the part you replied to, sorry. Primarily because I figured out the response to it myself!

> it can be seen

I still maintain that it’s unfair to project the value judgement of the observer onto the observed, as if the observer is impartial in all of this. It can be seen that way, yes, but it doesn’t have to be. That is the observer’s choice.