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Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by sokoloff on Sunday July 10, 2022 @07:14AM (#32043648)
Ref #2, I wonder if scientists feel similarly to Neil deGrasse Tyson today.

He doesn’t seem likely to be wildly better as a scientist than his peers, but being wildly better as a communicator has incredible differentiating value (and likely has a tailwind for the other scientists in terms of public support for science when it’s something they feel is almost within their grasp).

Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by andrepd on Sunday July 10, 2022 @07:59AM (#32043889)
I find Neil deGrasse Tyson to be a terrible science communicator, especially since a few years back. Just look at the man's twitter. Putting him and Carl Sagan in the same sentence is almost insulting x)
Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by ConstantVigil on Sunday July 10, 2022 @10:24AM (#32045048)
Not to mention that I am fairly certain I've caught him being horribly wrong more than once. But for the life of me, I cannot seem to remember which times it was. I'm sure I'll come across those videos again sometime though, and when I do; I'll be sure to edit this comment. Knowing my luck, it will be in the next few days time.
Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by vladTheInhaler on Sunday July 10, 2022 @02:38PM (#32047525)
Tyson once said on twitter “An airplane whose engine fails is a glider. A helicopter whose engine fails is a brick.” Now it's not at all obvious why that's not true. But that's why it's important to be humble about what you do and don't know.
Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by mrexroad on Sunday July 10, 2022 @04:10PM (#32048488)
In case anyone else is interested in the not-at-all-obvious-answer [1], I’ll save you the google: autorotation

> Autorotation is the ability of a helicopter to in some situations have its rotors powered by the flow of air rather than the engine. In short, as the helicopter descends, the upward directed flow of air pushes through the rotors, makes them rotate faster, which in turn provides lift.

[1] https://www.highskyflying.com/can-helicopters-glide/

Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by mixmastamyk on Sunday July 10, 2022 @05:19PM (#32049163)
Still, isn’t it more likely for the occupants to survive when a plane lands without power, assuming a decent landing spot?
Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by fsckboy on Sunday July 10, 2022 @07:31PM (#32050337)
a helicopter can "glide down" just like an airplane. if your engine fails, with the aid of the rotor as you descend you can turn the potential energy of being up in the air into forward motion, and that forward motion will generate lift over your rotor blades. You practice these techniques as part of getting a license.

see the "dead man's curve" which relates to having an engine failure with insufficient height or lateral speed (helicopters shouldn't hover in place unless a good ways up) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_height%E2%80%93velo...

Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by mixmastamyk on Monday July 11, 2022 @05:00PM (#32061757)
Agreed, however forward motion works for a plane landing with wheels. A helicopter with "skis" sounds less effective.
Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by adastra22 on Monday July 11, 2022 @03:00AM (#32053116)
I don't want to speak for all scientists, but I find Neil deGrasse Tyson utterly insufferable and cringe almost every time he makes a public statement. Like him or loath him, Carl Sagan was a scientist that wasn't afraid to apply scientific thinking to social and political issues. His positions were particularly reasoned and defensible with data and logical arguments.

Neil deGrasse Tyson, on the other hand, is an edgelord with a PhD. He takes contrarian positions for the sake of generating controversy, often without understanding the underlying issues or forming a cohesive, reasoned argument. He appeals to emotion rather than logic, and is politically partisan and divisive rather than unifying.

Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by whywhywhywhy on Sunday July 10, 2022 @11:03AM (#32045395)
>I wonder if scientists feel similarly to Neil deGrasse Tyson today.

Find it hard to imagine anyone taking him seriously after seeing his Twitter account.

Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by NikolaNovak on Sunday July 10, 2022 @11:40AM (#32045718)
I suppose I'll need to check it out, I am not on Twitter so don't frequent it.

At the same time... If twitter existed back then, how would the famed scientists and communicators come out? Einstein, Feynman, Asimov, Clarke have all had pretty damming (defined at minimum as "unacceptable by modern cultural standards") behaviour come to light. Respected scientists and philosophers of 70s who are still alive have similarly gotten themselves into serious hot water on social media more recently.

Never meet your heroes and all that...

Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by adastra22 on Monday July 11, 2022 @02:06AM (#32052758)
NGT posts some pretty cringe science takes too, though. The kind of stuff you would expect someone in his position to put even the slightest bit of research before speaking.
Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by KerrAvon on Sunday July 10, 2022 @10:52AM (#32045296)
Keep in mind that some of the youngest generation of scientists have been influenced by his Cosmos revival. Source: have one such in my household.
Re:When Carl Sagan sued Apple twice (2014) by adastra22 on Monday July 11, 2022 @02:08AM (#32052763)
I will never criticize something which sparks an interest in science in someone else.

But show them the original Sagan version. The CGI may be dated, but the material is far more thought provoking.