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Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by MonkeyMalarky on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:43PM (#31952586)
If you can't trust a highschool aged kid to go to school on their own, early start times aren't going to change anything. Heck, you can drive them to the building and watch them walk inside and they'll just walk right out the back. Delinquent kids dgaf. Now for the not totally delinquent but still up for sketchy borderline behaviour kids, finishing early and having couple hours between the end of class and when their parents come home from work is when all the dumb stuff happens. Sleeping in and getting home around the same time as their parents leaves a lot fewer opportunities for hijinks.
Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by giantg2 on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:50PM (#31952683)
If the kids really have a hard time waking up (the point t of this law), then it's possible they over sleep. Many parents might not be comfortable with their kid cooking breakfast unsupervised too.

If they're in after school activities and/or have a job, then it seem unlikely that they would get into trouble anyways. Pushing the time back will make these after school activities unfeasible for many, and limit opportunities.

Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by MonkeyMalarky on Friday July 01, 2022 @05:01PM (#31952849)
I'm failing to reconcile the image of a hypothetical teenager who is both so irresponsible and incompetent that you can't trust them to get up or make breakfast on their own without burning down the house while simultaneously being capable of having an after school job.

If you can't leave them unsupervised in the mornings, surely they can't be left alone after school either. Net net, there's going to be some time they're unsupervised. May as well let them get some rest. Maybe the lack of sleep deprivation will even encourage better decision-making.

Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by giantg2 on Friday July 01, 2022 @05:11PM (#31953002)
They don't need to be the same kid.

After school has after school activities. It also typically means they don't need to cook if the parents are home for dinner.

Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by bcrosby95 on Friday July 01, 2022 @05:10PM (#31952989)
Use an alarm. Eat cereal. Use the microwave. These are all non problems that any half functioning adult or high school kid can think of solutions to.
Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by giantg2 on Friday July 01, 2022 @05:13PM (#31953025)
If the kids are really so sleep deprived that we need a law about it, then it's likely some will sleep past their alarms.

Dictating diet by limiting options doesn't sound like a great plan to me.

You know what else is a non-problem? The current start times.

Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by MonkeyMalarky on Friday July 01, 2022 @05:23PM (#31953140)
I see the argument you are making and just want to suggest that this law is trying to help out the kids who are both capable of getting to school on their own regardless of start time, who would also benefit from the extra sleep. I suspect that this is the majority of the population of teenagers. Public schools are not really a free market where kids get to pick and choose based on features like start times. Most are selected because it is the only practical option for the family's means. In the absence of market pressure, using legislation to improve people's lives isn't wrong.
Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by giantg2 on Friday July 01, 2022 @05:29PM (#31953212)
If this is such a contentious issue, then why not allow the parents in each district to decide? That's really what I'm getting at - the state is making this decision for everyone by usurping the parents representation at the district level.
Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by MonkeyMalarky on Friday July 01, 2022 @05:40PM (#31953365)
If it is such a contentious issue, then why go through all the extra time and effort to decide it for each and every district? Parents still have a voice and vote at the state level do they not?
Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by giantg2 on Friday July 01, 2022 @06:10PM (#31953668)
Because what works for one district might not work for another based on the demographics and culture of the location.

Their voice at the state level is highly diluted by non-interested parties. Voting for school board members tends to be more focused and doesn't have as many people voting based on non-school issues like you would for a general representative.

Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by throwaway742 on Friday July 01, 2022 @05:29PM (#31953218)
These are high school students they are going to be living on their own soon. I think being able to feed themselves is a skill they should probably develop.
Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by giantg2 on Friday July 01, 2022 @06:11PM (#31953680)
One could argue that being at school at 8am is a valuable skill they should since most jobs require that (or earlier) start time.
Re:New California law requires high schools to start later by em-bee on Friday July 01, 2022 @05:23PM (#31953146)
my ten year can cook breakfast, on a gas stove too. and besides there are plenty of breakfast options that don't require cooking. worst case, they reheat in the microwave what parents cooked earlier.

if a 15 year old can't be unsupervised at home, then their parents have different problems besides letting them cook for themselves.