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Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by akmittal on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:17AM (#31921399)
I feel Mobile CPUs are fast enough from last 5-6 years. Its the battery tech which is lagging.

On Laptop/Server side Qualcomm need to catch up to AMD/Apple.

Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by danielEM on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:52AM (#31921908)
Yes, they are so fast that I would be happy to use my phone as a computer if the industry didn't make it close to impossible
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by MR4D on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @04:33PM (#31925397)
My gut tells me that if we could, there would be phones catching on fire all over the place.

Although a phone has tons of power, and can probably function as a low-end desktop, the lack of a sizeable cooling solution, or even just a plain heatsink, would cause it to throttle pretty quickly.

I have to believe this is the reason, or otherwise someone would have done it already (successfully that is) for such an obvious use case.

Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by danielEM on Thursday June 30, 2022 @02:49PM (#31936811)
> My gut tells me that if we could, there would be phones catching on fire all over the place.

If that was an issue you would see it already all around.

> Although a phone has tons of power, and can probably function as a low-end desktop, the lack of a sizeable cooling solution, or even just a plain heatsink, would cause it to throttle pretty quickly.

I would rather compare it to laptops and processing power of snapdragon 8 is rather in mid-upper segment of average available on the market laptop

ARM is also a different platform with way better computing performance per Watt ratio from regular PC, there is throttling, but when it kicks in it doesn't reduce your performance so significantly

> I have to believe this is the reason, or otherwise someone would have done it already (successfully that is) for such an obvious use case.

Believe, or not - the reasons why it wasn't done so far are far beyond technical reasons and we could have computer like capable phones long time ago already.

Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by 2Gkashmiri on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @01:29PM (#31923209)
try to use ffmpeg on termux and on a regular laptop. beyond some slight timing difference, my tests on a random file gave me similar results which is amazing
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by imtringued on Thursday June 30, 2022 @02:47PM (#31936785)
Running a simple gradle build was 10 to 20 times slower.
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by danielEM on Thursday June 30, 2022 @02:51PM (#31936853)
Can you be specific? What was the phone and what was hardware on desktop that you're comparing here?
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by 2Gkashmiri on Friday July 01, 2022 @02:43AM (#31943171)
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by rawoke083600 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:51AM (#31921885)
Speaking of battery-tech and mobile. I wish I can get "today phones" but with a "thick option". i.e add 2-3mm in thickness for greater battery capacity ?
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by windowsrookie on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:03PM (#31922060)
Apple has made the last few generations of iPhones thicker to do exactly that.
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by semi-extrinsic on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @01:40PM (#31923366)
How much do you want? Motorola has a couple of 6000 mAh battery options, and I think even Samsung has a few 5500 mAh models.
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by usrn on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:26AM (#31921510)
After my experiences with Android I will never ever buy another device with a Qualcomm SoC again.
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by rbanffy on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @04:19PM (#31925232)
After my experiences with Android, it'll be really difficult to make me buy an Android phone.

Compared to iOS, everything is slightly clunkier.

Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by karamanolev on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @05:04PM (#31925697)
I'll take "slightly clunkier" before "extremely locked down and limited in unthinkable ways" any day, and not just for Android, but in general.
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by akmittal on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:33AM (#31921606)
I had totally different experience, One i bought with Exynos was Battery hog, Mediatek ones generally have bad performance.
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by arifmeticus on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:31AM (#31921578)
Could you explain why?
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by danielEM on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:49AM (#31921862)
I'm also curious what were your experiences with android that were affected by Qualcomm?
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by uni_rule on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @01:54PM (#31923536)
Maybe they had an 810 crap out on them
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by frostwarrior on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:45AM (#31921788)
IMHO that's because Apple was the first to bother optimizing an ARM CPU for performance instead of battery life.

The performance per watt in ARM exceeded x86 since long ago, but most manufacturers used that feat to create mobile CPUs instead of cranking up the power to see if it catches up to high performance x86

Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by akmittal on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:56AM (#31921970)
I think reason is that Qualcomm need to sell to Phone makers so they can't make their SoC very expensive.

On the other hand Apple can make expensive SoC without worrying about sales

Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by PaulHoule on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:39PM (#31922528)
Apple has a big advantage over Microsoft in terms of building PCs.

Apple can decide that it is switching from Intel to ARM and not looking back so it not only realizes costs from investing in ARM but it ultimately will realize savings from not having to support Intel.

There is no real unity behind Microsoft, Dell, Lenovo and all the other vendors, plus the motto of Windows users is "who moved my cheese?" You don't use Windows because Windows is the best operating system, you use Windows because it has the most software, and that software is written for and optimized for the x86 platform. Microsoft is always floating ARM-based systems as a hobby but it cannot make the commitment that it is going "all in" so it has to support Intel as the primary processor for the foreseeable future, so the ARM transition costs Microsoft but never saves them anything.

On top of that Microsoft is dependent on vendors like NVIDIA and AMD to supply drivers for graphics cards and all the other parts for their machines and getting them all to supply good drivers for ARM is yet another big ask. Apple can say "here is the supported hardware" and not have to fight with vendors who have the power to torpedo their ambitions.

Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by _ph_ on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @01:02PM (#31922861)
At minimun, Microsoft could try for real. In 2019 Samsung announced the Galaxy Book S with an ARM processor. Looked like a nice compact laptop. I would have been interested in it, but it was basically never available and limited to Windows for ARM. Which isn't even officially sold by Microsoft, you can run it fine on the new Macs in a VM, but only as a part of the beta test access. Even if Microsoft cannot force the whole market to ARM - and might not even desire to do so - at least they could treat Windows 11 for ARM as a full product.
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by bombcar on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @01:48PM (#31923461)
If Microsoft wanted to really try an ARM push they could do worse than releasing a Surface laptop with amazing out-of-the-box Linux support; it might not sell a ton to Windows users, but they could get something moving.
Re:Arm Unveils Next-Gen Flagship Core: Cortex-X3 by K0SM0S on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @01:34PM (#31923277)
Thank you for a rather enlightening perspective. That explains a lot of big tech behaviors around the x86/ARM frontier that I had failed to grasp.

I find it somewhat ironic that in wanting for a few CEO's to "Embrace… Extinguish" Linux in favor of Windows, Microsoft eventually created a world where Windows is a sink on their resources they yet can't axe because though not anymore a money-maker in its own right, Windows remains the basis for pretty much all their money-makers. In becoming a "software-first" company, they pretty much followed if not provoked the very paradigm that makes Windows a non-monetizable entity next to as-good-as-embedded MacOS and ever-free Linux.

Linux which, incidentally, is also THE basis for money-makers worldwide and the OSS model means nobody using it today had to fork even 1% of the real cumulative cost of that kernel + ecosystem since the 1990's. How's that for a win, Linux 1:0 Microsoft — that the winner did not even seek, busy doing its own thing, while the other pretty much dug its own commercial grave out of 'relevance debt' (not sure how to word what Windows has become)…

TL;DR: it's like this big item taking all your inventory yet that you can't ditch ever because it's required to do all your quests. In games, you wish devs forgot about that crap and just made the inventory that much smaller. In real life, Microsoft can't kill Windows without closing business overnight. sad_pikachu_face.jpg

[Note that IMHO, MS is incredibly strong nowadays, so they'll find a way, and this is a fantastic learning experience for the industry.]