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Re:W3C to become a public-interest non-profit organization by jrochkind1 on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @12:27PM (#31909784)
For comparison, can we look at what portion of MIT's research grants are Defense related? MIT being the US host.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's similar, but I haven't found it lazily googling.

Most academic CS and IT research in the US is defense-funded, has been all along. Most other countries too. So any reasonable academic home of a web-related entity is likely to have it's research budget be mostly defense funded.

Re:W3C to become a public-interest non-profit organization by hinkley on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @01:10PM (#31910333)
When you ask people about The Internet, the parts they describe were mostly funded by the NSF and venture capital. DARPA has been largely out of the picture for a long, long time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Science_Foundation_...

Notably NCSA, which provided the first telnet client, web browser and web server that most people used prior to the DotCom boom.

Re:W3C to become a public-interest non-profit organization by adventured on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @12:49PM (#31910086)
> For comparison, can we look at what portion of MIT's research grants are Defense related? MIT being the US host.

I think we should absolutely do that. MIT's figure is going to be nowhere close to 60%.

https://web.mit.edu/fnl/vol/155/numbers_research_total.htm

> Most academic CS and IT research in the US is defense-funded, has been all along.

That also is false. It's nowhere close to "most" across all US CS and IT research.

Re:W3C to become a public-interest non-profit organization by jrochkind1 on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @01:12PM (#31910353)
Thanks for the details. Department of Defence is listed at 18% MIT-wide, which is not close to 60%, true. It is the #1 source of research funds.

Curious what the Department of Energy grants are about, and what overlap it ends up having with defense purposes if it's nuclear. That's the second biggest source of research funding at 15%. 18+15==33%, still not 60%.

> That also is false. It's nowhere close to "most" across all US CS and IT research.

I'd be curious to see numbers for that too, for MIT CS department(s) specifically, and in general in the US. I have definitely known a lot of CS professors and projects with DARPA and other DoD funding, it is quite common.

Re:W3C to become a public-interest non-profit organization by seoaeu on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @02:00PM (#31910897)
“Campus” is subtle because it doesn’t count the roughly $1B of military funding that goes to Lincoln Lab, an MIT subsidiary
Re:W3C to become a public-interest non-profit organization by lelandfe on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @02:18PM (#31911114)
Re:W3C to become a public-interest non-profit organization by jrochkind1 on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @02:45PM (#31911451)
Wow, the total amount of "research expenditures" "on campus" in the earlier chart was only $447 million.

And here we have a $9.6 billion contract (albeit not for just one year, i'm sure) that wasn't included... it does seem like that earlier chart was not very comprehensive.

Re:W3C to become a public-interest non-profit organization by jrochkind1 on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @02:10PM (#31911012)
ooh, good catch.
Re:W3C to become a public-interest non-profit organization by lelandfe on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @01:09PM (#31910324)
Re:W3C to become a public-interest non-profit organization by fomine3 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:28AM (#31916507)
Defense based funds were generally avoided by universities in Japan. Reasons are linked to WWII result and top professors were left wing.