Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
by spideymans on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:23AM
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Recall how Google gimped Windows Phone support on the web, presumably to advantage their own platform and web services. My fear is that they'd do the same to Safari on iOS. They could break support on iOS, to force users to Chrome, where they can better track and monetize their users.
Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
by smoldesu on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:20AM
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They definitely have the capital to make it happen. Every time I boot up Safari after a MacOS update, I'm consistently wowed by how little of their revenue actually goes in to making a comfortable, feature-complete browser. It's almost like you're using a different, nerfed internet with Safari, but maybe that's just me being angry that uBlock Origin doesn't work anymore.
Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
by robertoandred on Monday June 27, 2022 @12:14PM
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There are plenty of ad blockers for Safari, not sure what nerfed experience you're referring to.
Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
by danShumway on Monday June 27, 2022 @01:06PM
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This has been debated to death, but there are no ad blockers on Safari that will work as well as uBlock Origin, because Safari doesn't have all of the APIs/hooks exposed that would be necessary to implement uBlock Origin's more advanced features.
It's the same problem that developers were talking about with Chrome's Manifest V3 -- to the point where popular adblockers for Safari like Adguard actually run outside of the browser so that they're not quite as limited as they otherwise would be by Safari's apis.
Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
by raydev on Monday June 27, 2022 @04:12PM
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> There are plenty of ad blockers for Safari
And none of them work as well as uBlock Origin on Chrome.
Trust me, I tried. I even paid money to try a few extensions out on Safari in the hopes I would get a better experience, but even that doesn't work.
Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
by NegativeLatency on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @12:00PM
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(As a safari user) I've found running a pihole to be a good solution
Also been trying out this webkit based browser for macos: https://browser.kagi.com (supports ublock origin)
Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
by smoldesu on Monday June 27, 2022 @02:27PM
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And which of those ad blockers are Open Source?
Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
by robertoandred on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @04:57AM
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AdGuard
Re:Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
by noisem4ker on Monday June 27, 2022 @01:50PM
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The nerfed experience of addons only specifying a significantly limited list of blocking rules, giving up being able to autonomously allow or deny each request with arbitrary parameters, surrogate scripts (replacing the original, tracking ones with privacy-friendly reimplementations) and cosmetically alter the webpage (e.g. fixing the layout with missing ads).
Partial source: https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari/issues/158
I would actually expect the most likely outcome is Apple would fight hard to build a better browser to stem any losses to other browsers. They'll have at least 2 years to do it, so they can catch up in that time with enough investment.