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Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by kennywinker on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @04:39PM (#31841579)
Give it a little more time and it'll be like 2x4s. At one point they were actually 2" by 4", but now they're 3.5" by 1.5" and that's the standard size and we're stuck with this dumb little detail where the name doesn't match reality and everybody just accepts it - but it confuses virtually every single person on the planet at LEAST once or twice in their life.
Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by selectodude on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @04:46PM (#31841664)
2x4s are 2" by 4" before they're finished. If you search S4S (sanded 4 sides) 2x4s, they will actually be 2" by 4". If you get the wood with rounded corners, they take a quarter inch off each side to "finish" it. It's been that way for 100 years.
Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by kennywinker on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @06:17PM (#31842555)
I don't think that's right.

> The limited availability of lumber and the rapid pace of housing construction made other methods like concrete-block housing viable. This pressured further compromise because thinner 2x4s were a way to compete in price with wood alternatives. Size standards, maximum moisture content, and nomenclature were agreed upon only as recently as 1964. The nominal 2x4 thus became the actual 1½ x 3½, imperceptibly, a fraction of an inch at a time.

http://www.harvarddesignmagazine.org/issues/45/nominal-versu...

So it seems the reduction was was driven by cost saving, not a product of the finishing process, and it's actually only been standardized that way for 58 years.

Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by mritun on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @05:23PM (#31842038)
Sneaky, eh?
Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by thedougd on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @06:25PM (#31842629)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumber#Dimensional_lumber

"Dimensional lumber is available in green, unfinished state, and for that kind of lumber, the nominal dimensions are the actual dimensions."

Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by kennywinker on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @06:36PM (#31842744)
> For example, a "2×4" board historically started out as a green, rough board actually 2 by 4 inches (51 mm × 102 mm). After drying and planing, it would be smaller by a nonstandard amount. Today, a "2×4" board starts out as something smaller than 2 inches by 4 inches and not specified by standards, and after drying and planing is minimally 1+1⁄2 by 3+1⁄2 inches (38 mm × 89 mm).[8]

Your quote just means when you're buying green wood and it says it's 2"x4" it will be exactly 2"x4". It doesn't mean a 2x4 started out as a 2"x4" green board.

Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by thedougd on Saturday June 25, 2022 @12:58PM (#31876819)
> Historically, the nominal dimensions were the size of the green (not dried), rough (unfinished) boards that eventually became smaller finished lumber through drying and planing (to smooth the wood). Today, the standards specify the final finished dimensions and the mill cuts the logs to whatever size it needs to achieve those final dimensions.

I was originally pointing out that the naming is simply a standard and convention, 'dimensional lumber'. All that matters is that if I buy a '2 by' almost anywhere in the United States, it will be close to the same size and characteristics.

Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by walrus01 on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @04:46PM (#31841657)
if you really want to see something that's irretrievably stuck in american measurements, take a look at the national engineering standards and vendor sources for telecom tower components... for anything from a light duty 40' aluminum self support you might put in your yard for ham radio all the way up to gargantuan 2000' guyed broadcast towers.

canada has no hope of doing anything in metric here, everything is in US units, and probably will be until the year 2200

Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by The_Colonel on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @04:48PM (#31841678)
What is 2x4?
Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by fragmede on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @10:02PM (#31844339)
It refers to pieces of wood used for building in North America, which comes in 2 inch by 4 inches by x feet, where x is generally 8 or 10.
Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by Akronymus on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:00AM (#31846591)
So, basically a 50x100mm piece of lumber?

(I rounded those values because if the US were to go metric, the dimension would slightly change, rather than being exactly 50.8 by 101.6 mm)

Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by kennywinker on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:26AM (#31849550)
Except, per my original point - it’s called a 2x4 - but it’s not actually 2 inches by 4 inches, which would be as you say 50ish x 100ish mm. In reality it’s actually standardized to be 38 x 89 mm
Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by Akronymus on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:44AM (#31849802)
Guess 40 by 90 then.

What I tried to convey, in a stupid way, is that there wouldnt be an exact translation of the measurements into metric, but that the dimensions qould slightly change in switching over.

and now I realize that that point was irrelevant anyways. Sorry for derailing the thread with useless replies.

Re:Modern HDDs have gotten somewhat better by walrus01 on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @05:36PM (#31842166)
a north american measurement of wood