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Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by Aldo_MX on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:23AM (#31811447)
> that's only because Tumblr wanted to be on the App Store

Yeah, because the iOS ecosystem is well known for allowing competition, especially competing stores.

Many of the issues that Apple create wouldn't exist if competing stores were allowed to exist.

Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by ezfe on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:29AM (#31811519)
What about Tumblr requires an app to enjoy?
Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by Aldo_MX on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:34AM (#31811557)
I don't know, let me ask the anti-Electron gang their thoughts about less battery life just by running a browser environment instead of a native app.
Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by uncomputation on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:42AM (#31811664)
This doesn’t make sense. You wouldn’t have an Electron app on iOS anyways. If you used Electron for desktop, you would generate an iOS bundle for the App Store but OP is suggesting just a web app in the vein of HN, just accessed via the browser. The only thing you would use Electron for is desktop but, also like HN, nobody accesses tumblr via a desktop app to begin with. They use a browser.
Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by Aldo_MX on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @12:52AM (#31820025)
> You wouldn’t have an Electron app on iOS anyways.

You're missing the forest for the trees. The issue is not building an app specifically with Electron, but building an app which requires a browser. The browser is expensive in terms of resource usage, which results in less battery life.

Using a browser is OK for an app intended for a light usage session (like booking a flight). But not OK for an app which is intended for heavy usage sessions (like browsing pictures in an infinite timeline).

There's a reason Slack (which already has a reputation of impacting your battery life) decided to create a native app for mobile instead of using an Electron-like framework like Capacitor[1].

[1]: https://capacitorjs.com/

Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by woojoo666 on Monday June 20, 2022 @05:07PM (#31815951)
From the article

> Apple’s restrictions on third-party browsers, and the limitations it puts on Safari/WebKit (its own browser tools) have hobbled “web apps,”

Though I'm sure you can also ask many product managers how well native apps on iOS perform due to web apps (many companies have data on both). For whatever reason, users prefer native apps

Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by corrral on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:43AM (#31811676)
I expect there's a ton of overlap between the anti-Electron "gang" and folks who don't think a website needs an app at all.

Plus most of those website "apps" are just a bunch of webviews anyway, so you're not going to save battery by using them. Just like Electron.

Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by PhantomBKB on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:59PM (#31813409)
That's like asking why doesn't everyone switch to landline phones since they have the same calling functionality as mobile phones.

Answer: Well obviously, since landlines are missing the biggest feature mobiles phones have: portability.

Point I'm trying to make: 1. Apps are smoother than web experience 2. Have a much native-er feel, etc.

If app is available, I'd rather use an app.

Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by ezfe on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:07PM (#31815156)
There's no inherent reason that is - websites can be added as icons on the home page and can feel just as nice to use as an app for things like Tumblr or Reddit. The only reason the Reddit web interface is no fun is because Reddit makes it horrendous on purpose. I got a notification today in the Reddit webpage saying the app had more cats, whatever that means.

A big thing would be notifications, which at the time of writing is still an issue but slated to be corrected next year.

Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by jedberg on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:41PM (#31812455)
Push notifications.
Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by Longhanks on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:41AM (#31811637)
Why is it Apple’s duty to provide an ecosystem for tumblr? If they want on Apple’s platform, they have to play by Apple’s rules - there‘s other ecosystems, too. No one is forced to enter the iOS ecosystem, and anyone can leave at any time they please.
Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by capybara_2020 on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:53AM (#31811816)
Imagine Microsoft saying something like that...you cannot install your app on Windows because <reasons>. Can you imagine the uproar at that.

But Apple gets a free pass?

For all intents and purposes Apple's iphone is the Windows equivalent in many parts of the world. If you are not on it, you do not exist. So Apple needs to be treated like the monopoly/duopoly they are.

Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by MichaelZuo on Monday June 20, 2022 @08:02PM (#31817943)
Huh? Microsoft 'forbids' a lot of apps from being installed on any windows OS.

macOS exclusive apps, linux exclusive apps, FreeBSD exclusive apps, z/OS exclusive apps, etc..

Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by Aldo_MX on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @01:12AM (#31820143)
Do they? The last time I checked news about Windows they were making big efforts to make Linux apps run[1].

And considering the state of the art of Linux GPU Drivers, maybe using Windows will be the only feasible way to actually run Linux apps.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mnbyRgXkY&t=4680s

Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by MichaelZuo on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:31PM (#31855400)
Yes, I gave several examples. Last time I checked there were no promises that all linux apps will be compatible, only some select portion.
Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by 7v3x3n3sem9vv on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:44AM (#31811698)
hard for some people to leave when they've paid thousands in hardware, apps and media content that doesn't migrate easily to other platforms.
Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by Longhanks on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:49AM (#31811767)
How is this different from any other industry? My VW engine will probably not work in the new Ford, will it?
Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by dahfizz on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:00PM (#31811913)
That's a pretty bad example.

There is a technical / physical aspect to interoperability. If you want to swap your engine, the new engine needs to fit and mate up with your transmission (though, this is easier than you might think). If you want to run an app on your phone, it needs to be in a format the OS can use.

Then there is an extra, unnecessary, layer of political control. I absolutely can, with a bit of work, swap in a Chevy LS engine into a Ford F150. I don't have to ask Ford's permission. Chevy doesn't have to ask Fords permission. I, as a person with free will, can buy this engine and that car and combine them.

Apple totally prevents this. They do not allow you to do what you want with the device you own. For good or bad, they absolutely operate differently than other industries. At least from the consumers perspective.

Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by jedberg on Monday June 20, 2022 @12:47PM (#31812531)
No, but luckily you have the legal right to change your VW engine with a Ford engine if you really want to.

But in your analogy, your VW would only allow VW gas sold by VW at VW filling stations. And the only two types of cars on the road are VWs and Fords, and each have their own filling station.

Now imagine you live in an area where only VW owns gas stations, they lobby the government and explain for the safety of the citizens they can't allow you to use any gas from anyone else, and the closest Ford station is 100 miles away, and you already own a VW.

I could tell you, "hey, you bought into the ecosystem, and you can leave any time".

And you would tell me I'm being unreasonable, and fight your local government to allow 3rd party gas stations.

Re:Facebook says Apple is too powerful – they're right by toast0 on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:45PM (#31813245)
> My VW engine will probably not work in the new Ford, will it?

There's a whole subculture of engine swaps, afaik, they tend not to use vw engines as the donors, but whatevs. You've got to have or make room, probably adapt the connection to the transmission, plus any engine control, cooling, and air/fuel. It's really not that hard, as long as there is room.