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Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by swatcoder on Thursday June 16, 2022 @04:54PM (#31770857)
The satanic and brainwashing/deprogramming scares of the 80’s changed the way a lot of people use the word, but for the preceding several millennia cult simply suggested:

A membership community with secrets and opportunities reserved for members.

There are millions of these around us, and we’re all probably members of several. It seems to be pretty normal throughout history. We just don’t acknowledge it as such because the word was only fairly recently stigmatized.

Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by Viliam1234 on Thursday June 16, 2022 @06:18PM (#31771714)
The dangerous organizations were called "destructive cults" (which suggested the existence of non-destructive ones) in the 80's, but people gradually stopped using the adjective, generalizing it too far.

> A membership community with secrets and opportunities reserved for members.

Yeah, but the exact type of "secrets and opportunities" matters. Sometimes (as mentioned in the article) the secret opportunity is a surprise nonconsensual sex with the group leader.

Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by MonkeyClub on Thursday June 16, 2022 @05:26PM (#31771187)
> A membership community with secrets and opportunities reserved for members.

That can also be a guild.

"Cult" is a term from the study of religion (a particular field's jargon, if you will), and usually conveys intense devotion, a ritual or sacrificial dimension that goes beyond a master craftsman's level of devotion to a craft.

Also, a guild can't entertain fanciful ideas about their craft for too long, if the ideas don't work in practice.

The distinction is kind of like using Cobol to build a good solid system (guild), versus dropping some Lisp to reach enlightenment (cult), or using C to build a solid system (cult).

In which case, I'm voting cult all the way.

Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by thaumasiotes on Thursday June 16, 2022 @09:37PM (#31773118)
> "Cult" is a term from the study of religion (a particular field's jargon, if you will), and usually conveys intense devotion, a ritual or sacrificial dimension that goes beyond a master craftsman's level of devotion to a craft.

That might be the modern colloquial use, but I don't think it has much to do with the use of the word "cult" in the study of religion?

As I understand the word, you might talk about the cult associated with a particular temple (meaning just local practices, as opposed to more widespread general practices), or the cult associated with the worship of a particular god (meaning beliefs and practices pertaining to that god and his or her worship in specific, such beliefs might be very widespread or might be highly localized), or you might talk about a mystery cult, which is pretty much by definition a widespread phenomenon distinguished by the fact that it has secret teachings unknown to non-initiates.

But none of those senses convey any special devotion in comparison to ordinary worship; most of them are ordinary worship.

Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday June 16, 2022 @07:07PM (#31772112)
It was more like the 70s. High profile stories included mass suicide at the People's Temple led by Jim Jones [1], Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh collecting Rolls Royces and sexual favours from followers, and of course Charles Manson.

[1] Origin of the phrase "Drink the Kool-Aid". More than 900 people did, and died.

Point being cults are not just a club with a few secrets.

Cults are dangerous. They abuse people physically, sexually, psychologically, and financially, and the leaders reliably scam and exploit the followers. Not infrequently there are links to unusually horrific events such as mass murder and mass suicide.

Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by cs137 on Thursday June 16, 2022 @06:17PM (#31771703)
These days the preferred (I hate to call it "politically correct") term for what used to be called a "cult" is NRM: new religious movement. Cult is reserved for the minority that are actually deranged, coercive, and dangerous.

Of course, part of the problem is that there are concentric rings, increasingly toxic as one goes higher/closer-in. The outer ring is full of gullible normies who do recruiting and PR, useful idiots who have no idea what's really going on.

Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by ineedasername on Thursday June 16, 2022 @06:50PM (#31771980)
It's the nature of those secrets though, isn't it. A small professional organization that keeps a secret list of member reviews of different workplaces, managers, etc is not the same as an organization that keeps occult beliefs a secret, or hides sex trafficking.
Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by dendriti on Thursday June 16, 2022 @05:12PM (#31771034)
We call non-religious cults "cliques" now...
Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by dcow on Thursday June 16, 2022 @05:17PM (#31771086)
Costco: a modern cult.
Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by jonathankoren on Thursday June 16, 2022 @06:33PM (#31771824)
Partake in the Holy Communion of the Perpetual $1.50 Hot Dog Combo.
Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by dcow on Thursday June 16, 2022 @07:05PM (#31772101)
Ah, the hot dog tithe. To be raised to $2.50 soonTM.
Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by earleybird on Thursday June 16, 2022 @09:23PM (#31773028)
"Not so" according to RandomMediaOutletTM[0]

[0] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/phew-costco-absolutely-pos...

Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by nonrandomstring on Thursday June 16, 2022 @05:14PM (#31771054)
Yes, I think in this context the word "cult" is inappropriate. The word the author was looking for is "clique".
Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by happyopossum on Thursday June 16, 2022 @05:47PM (#31771396)
Umm, members of cliques don't ritually abuse each other - that's a cult thing.
Re:A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit by nonrandomstring on Thursday June 16, 2022 @06:16PM (#31771691)
Okay, more nuance: The shit this "Fellowship of Friends" actually does - that's a cult. I guess wanted to say they're a clique of cult members.

The cult is real. The clique is the group within Google (as opposed to there being a cult within Google), I hope that distinction makes sense.

I've seen this before. At the BBC. Everyone closed ranks around Jimmy Savile and an organisation called PIE (paedophile information exchange). You were literally told you couldn't say anything about it. But AFAIK the rotten group was small, but powerful. Many, many more decent people work at the BBC. As I'm sure applies to Google.

Edit:

I say this because the headline "Cult within Google" is misleading. (I bloody hate Google and everything they stand for - but there's an important distinction to be made)