Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by yunwal on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @01:51PM
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Stocks are liquid enough that you can sell enough to pay your credit card off before getting hit with interest. There's no reason to have 6 months worth of expenses in cash just sitting around unless you strongly suspect a crash.
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by mcguire on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @02:07PM
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The S&P 500 is down 21% since the beginning of the year.
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by refurb on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:06PM
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But still up 40% from the post-Covid low.
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by fallingfrog on Friday June 17, 2022 @03:58PM
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For now
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by astrange on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @04:00PM
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Muni bond and treasury ETFs are not down 21%, and neither is my emergency fund investment account.
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by pishpash on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @05:23PM
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Broad munis and intermediate treasuries are both down 10% YTD, and so are TIPS (though at least those have had inflation adjustments). You might want to check your "emergency fund investment account" lol...
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by astrange on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @07:14PM
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It’s on target still. Less margin than usual, but the gains from the last 10 years have made up for that.
Betterment recommends 30% margin: https://www.betterment.com/resources/funding-a-safety-net-ca...
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by pishpash on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @07:32PM
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Gains from the past isn't so much the point, but rather when you may need to liquidate. An emergency fund is typically needed at the worst possible time, when the economy isn't good and investments are deflated. That's the liquidity risk you take with anything but cash.
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by mcguire on Thursday June 16, 2022 @12:50PM
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"Stocks are liquid enough..."
Neither of those are stocks.
Bonds are (usually) less volatile than stocks, but yeah, be careful about using them for short-term emergency funds.
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by astrange on Thursday June 16, 2022 @06:26PM
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Bond ETFs are equally as liquid as stocks.
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by Damogran6 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @06:51PM
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And will be back up in less than 18 months.
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by fallingfrog on Friday June 17, 2022 @03:59PM
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Hope springs eternal, but stimulus from the fed does not.
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by mabbo on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @03:48PM
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That sounds like a lot of work, with added risks.
With our system, our bills get paid with the money we have, and then when we make more money, it just goes back to the buffer account. Overflow goes into investing.
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by maxerickson on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @05:23PM
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It's not something you need to justify to other people!
Re:Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life
by pishpash on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @05:25PM
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Stocks are the definition of not liquid, in that their implied duration is 10+ years at least. How many fools are using stocks as an emergency fund during a tightening cycle that's removing liquidity at the fastest pace since the 1980's?
Sure, the money isn't generating more wealth, but that amount is finite. It's a cushion that should effectively indefinitely and every dollar beyond is vigorously invested. And, should something happen to employment, you use it as a buffer (assuming no severance) and replenish as soon as you're employed again.
I have a friend who helped me get where I am. He makes even more than I do, but financially, I'm more well off than he is because he thinks that every single dollar needs invested -- to the point that despite making the top 2-3% of income for our entire region, he regularly is paying off revolving credit card interest because he isn't equipped to pay a $500 unexpected expense.
Sure, if you invest every single dollar, it's always earning 7-10% on average. But if you have to then pay 20%+ APR on credit cards because you can't handle unexpected expenses, it begs the question whether you're really getting ahead.