Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future
by creato on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @11:28AM
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Itβs just scale. Those batteries and pumped hydro stories seem big. Relative to your house, they are. Relative to the grid as a whole, they are small.
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Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future
by ben_w on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @11:52AM
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That doesn't answer the question. What exactly is the problem that needs to be solved?
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future
by paulmd on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @12:10PM
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Scaling up capacity of the storage. There aren't that many sites that are geologically feasible for pumped storage (and it destroys a local ecosystem by flooding and draining it repeatedly) and batteries need rare earth metals (not actually that rare but environmentally toxic to produce).
We need O(100x) current production to fully switch away from hydrocarbons. That's a lot of reservoirs or a lot of cobalt that have to be mined.
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future
by ben_w on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @12:45PM
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Cobalt already eliminated from half of new Tesla batteries: https://electrek.co/2022/04/22/tesla-using-cobalt-free-lfp-b...
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future
by wumpus on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @04:27PM
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> batteries need rare earth metals
"Rare earths" are a column (edit: ha ha see below) in the periodic table, and are not used in batteries.
Some types of electric motors use rare earths, others do not.
Here's a primer: https://blog.ucsusa.org/josh-goldman/electric-vehicles-batte...
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future
by philipkglass on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @05:01PM
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"Rare earths" are actually the lanthanides plus scandium and yttrium [1], not one column of the periodic table. Good information otherwise!
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future
by wumpus on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @05:44PM
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Ha ha busted! Thanks. As an astronomer I think everything beyond He is a metal.
Re:Nuclear is back on the table for a green future
by pfdietz on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @12:45PM
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Globally the potential pumped storage resource is far larger than would be needed. You might be confused by assuming the pumped hydro has to be on existing rivers.