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Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by hash07e on Monday June 13, 2022 @07:53AM (#31724150)
If you look at [1] at page 59 you will see only 19% of men and 7% of women from non western countries are working in Germany.

This is after spending a LOT of money and political power.

[1] - https://www.diw.de/documents/publikationen/73/diw_01.c.61234...

Note: the statistics are heavily censured and the language is always to show "positive" like we increased xx% (from 10% to 15%).

Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by DoughnutHole on Monday June 13, 2022 @08:54AM (#31724846)
You've completely misrepresented the statements of that document - it's specifically about refugees, not all "men and woman from non western countries".

Of course refugees are vastly more likely to be unemployed - 2/3 came from the Syrian civil war and there's no guarantee of entering the country with in-demand skills or any understanding of the language.

Germany has 1.24 million refugees, but it has ~14 million first-generation immigrants including over a million Turks. People who immigrated for work and had to apply for visas are going to have completely different employment outcomes than a surge of war refugees.

Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by hash07e on Monday June 13, 2022 @10:01AM (#31725703)
So please provide the stats from "first-generation" immigrants.

They are public right?

Right?

Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by bildung on Monday June 13, 2022 @11:05AM (#31726604)
By law their residency was on the condition of employment or self-employment, so close to 100% by definition. Nowadays they are either naturalized (so no immigrants anymore) or pensioned, or returned back home after their work life ended, or already died. Keep in mind that this immigration wave was 40 to 50 years ago.

And yes, all of this is easily findable public data.

Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by hash07e on Monday June 13, 2022 @11:29AM (#31726961)
"By law their residency was on the condition of employment or self-employment, so close to 100% by definition"

That is a very strong "stimulus" to keep people working and being integrated. Do we have the same today?

"And yes, all of this is easily findable public data."

Please may you provide the link with first-generation employment status?

Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by bildung on Monday June 13, 2022 @08:47AM (#31724746)
Germany is a bit special here because refugees often are not allowed to work at all, or, depending on their status, are only allowed to work under certain conditions. This was introduced by the conservative parties as a juridical answer to fears of immigrants "stealing" jobs.
Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by hash07e on Monday June 13, 2022 @09:10AM (#31725052)
Nope.

My cousin was able to get it right away.

Same happened in other countries as Sweden[1] and in UAE[2]

The conservatives have no power in Germany the most they can do is:

"We will SOMETIME in future make a coalition, but for now we will stay here barking".

It is ok to confront narratives.

[1] - https://archive.is/oUsbj [2] - http://saharareporters.com/2021/06/29/exclusive-uae-suspends...

Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by bildung on Monday June 13, 2022 @09:19AM (#31725150)
It's literally law, and has been for decades. See here, directly from the federal government: https://www.bmas.de/DE/Arbeit/Fachkraeftesicherung-und-Integ...
Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by hash07e on Monday June 13, 2022 @10:06AM (#31725759)
From google translator

1. after three months for asylum seekers who are not obliged to live in a reception facility,

2. after six months of asylum seekers with minor children,

3. after nine months of asylum seekers without minor children (even despite the obligation to live in a reception facility).

Comparing to US A 565 Authorization to work in US is at 6-9 months wait.

that study data was from 2016 onwards... There was enough time..

Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by bildung on Monday June 13, 2022 @10:38AM (#31726262)
Those are

* minimum times, i.e. they don't automatically have rights afterwards, but have to obtain a permission for working first ("Arbeitserlaubnis")

* those minimum times prolong as long as immigrants live in special immigrant housing ("Aufnahmeeinrichtung"), i.e. as long es they don't live in normal housing. Which they can only get if the ministry grants them that (in my town there are still quite a share of syrian immigrants living in that kind of housing, not normal housing in town).

* additionally, even after that, the employer has to show that a) no German of comparable qualification wanted the job, and b) no EU citizen of comparable qualification wanted the job.

Edit:

> that study data was from 2016 onwards... There was enough time..

"onwards" is only 2017. Your source only compares 2016 to 2017. 2016 is the year when most syrian refugees arrived in Germany. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%BCchtlingskrise_in_Deuts...

Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by hash07e on Monday June 13, 2022 @10:48AM (#31726360)
even if you consider 11 months the data is still valid.

Are we moving goal post?

Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by ginko on Monday June 13, 2022 @09:36AM (#31725360)
>The conservatives have no power in Germany

Did you somehow miss 16 years of conservative government in Germany?

Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by ChuckNorris89 on Monday June 13, 2022 @10:37AM (#31726242)
Conservative by German standards is pretty liberal by US standards.
Re:Engage with an unemployment algorithm by notahacker on Monday June 13, 2022 @08:56AM (#31724877)
I'm not sure why you think a statistic applying to a different group (refugees are not all "non-Western immigrants", especially not in Denmark) in a different country in a different direction is particularly relevant.

Actually, scratch that, looking at your account history I can see exactly why...