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Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by qbasic_forever on Saturday June 11, 2022 @03:17PM (#31707342)
Another option if you have good control over your router is to put the TV and other smart devices on a special subnet or vlan and only occasionally give it internet access for updates, etc. Maybe there's a good DNS-based ad blocker you could run on its vlan and nuke all of its ad and spy traffic too.

This actually seems like a good market opportunity for yet another home device, a router with aggressive spyware and ad mitigation that's made to explicitly connect all your smart gadgets and untrusted devices that phone home.

Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by monkpit on Saturday June 11, 2022 @03:26PM (#31707433)
These products are designed not to rely upon DNS to serve the ad content, though.
Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by bbarnett on Saturday June 11, 2022 @04:31PM (#31708071)
If true, this is an excellent chance for white hat flooding.

Knock, and keep that ip offline. With no way to change locationation(DNS), their little ad sceme won't work.

Even better if it makes companies shy about using such methods.

Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by happyopossum on Saturday June 11, 2022 @05:42PM (#31708716)
Well, no - GP an isn’t exactly correct. They use DNS, they just won’t use your configured DNS. You can play NAT tricks to force all UDP dns queries to your pihole or other DNS based blocker, but they can just as easily use DOH.
Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by AlexAndScripts on Saturday June 11, 2022 @05:54PM (#31708827)
That's grey hat. Arguably ethical... Ish... But entirely illegal and done without consent.
Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by jsjohnst on Saturday June 11, 2022 @04:39PM (#31708146)
> white hat flooding

Very curious definition of “white hat” you have

Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by beanders on Saturday June 11, 2022 @08:33PM (#31709975)
This would be what I term “green hat”, gray with a flavor of robbing the rich to feed the poor.
Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by bbarnett on Saturday June 11, 2022 @04:51PM (#31708263)
A white hat works for the public good, yes?
Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by gruez on Saturday June 11, 2022 @05:01PM (#31708365)
Close, but no.

>A white hat (or a white hat hacker) is an ethical security hacker.[1] Ethical hacking is a term meant to imply a broader category than just penetration testing.[2][3] Under the owner's consent, white hat hackers aim to identify any vulnerabilities the current system has. [...] There is a third kind of hacker known as a grey hat who hacks with good intentions but at times without permission.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hat_(computer_security)

Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by fragmede on Saturday June 11, 2022 @06:00PM (#31708865)
traditionally, white hat means working with companies to help identify weaknesses in their systems, and getting inside with their consent.
Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by User23 on Saturday June 11, 2022 @08:36PM (#31710002)
That sounds like helping to secure my home network from unwanted spyware and tracking to me.
Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by jsjohnst on Saturday June 11, 2022 @04:59PM (#31708343)
Sure, but is vigilantism for the public good?
Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by tssva on Saturday June 11, 2022 @05:38PM (#31708676)
I block the ads on my Roku TV through DNS filtering.
Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by ruraltech on Saturday June 11, 2022 @10:13PM (#31710619)
I use a Pi-hole for the network, but this doesn't block YouTube ads (sadly). Since I refuse to see ads of any stripe ever, I discovered that my Amazon Firestick can be put in developer mode and then install SmartTubeNext. Looks very similar to YouTube, but blocks all ads, sponsor content, and other nonsense. Pure videos.

I of course also use UBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, Decentraleyes, and Referer Block on the laptop in addition to the Pi-hole. I do the same at work, as they allowed me to use a Pi-hole since I'm IT and on my own portion of the network on a private VLAN.

Since some people use laptops in lieu of TVs, you can always use FreeTube, which blocks ads by default and can also be proxied in the settings so YouTube cannot see your location. https://freetubeapp.io/

How to block ads on Amazon Firestick https://troypoint.com/youtube-without-ads/

SmartTubeNext https://smartyoutubetv.github.io/

Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by tssva on Sunday June 12, 2022 @09:55AM (#31714520)
I just pay for YouTube Premium and don't see YouTube ads on any platform while still providing some income for the content creators I watch.
Re:Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” fe... by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS on Saturday June 11, 2022 @07:11PM (#31709380)
Same