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Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by polemic on Thursday June 09, 2022 @11:15PM (#31689568)
It's entirely rational. He's on the hook for $1B. He is highly incentivized to obfuscate, lobby and otherwise delay making that payment any way he can. It's not about being right, at this point.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by nixgeek on Thursday June 09, 2022 @11:22PM (#31689606)
Musk is not on the hook for $1B, Musk is on the hook for $44B. Delaware has significant precedent for forcing consummation of business deals in cases like these when the acquirer has the means, which Musk clearly does.

https://www.axios.com/2022/05/14/the-musk-twitter-endgame

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by kmonsen on Friday June 10, 2022 @12:59AM (#31690230)
But Elon also has a not given a fuck in the past and gotten away with it. My guess is he will get away with it again, but then are we really living in a society with equal laws for everyone?
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by MisterBastahrd on Friday June 10, 2022 @01:52AM (#31690538)
Texas isn't going to protect him (because they can't), so unless he wants to flee the country, he doesn't have many options.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by hef19898 on Friday June 10, 2022 @03:27AM (#31691157)
That eould be great, Musk trying to "Ghosn" out of it.

Ghosn: Carlos Ghosn, former CEO of Nissan-Renault, held on Japan for some white collar crime and illegally smuggled out of Japan, with the help of a former Green Beret and his son, to Libanon, Ghosn home country. Since then he is no longer CEO and wanted internationally by Japan.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by dahdum on Thursday June 09, 2022 @11:27PM (#31689640)
Right, he wants out of the deal on the terms but I don’t think it’s the $1B he’s worried about. It’s the embarrassment of either having to pay the break up fee or overpaying so much at $54.20.

His ego is at stake, he’s called many things but not often a fool.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by usefulcat on Thursday June 09, 2022 @11:48PM (#31689792)
I have a hard time seeing this as being anything other than a fun how-can-I-fuck-with-people-today kind of game for him.

I mean, yeah, sure on the surface it's economically rational and all, but really--you're already nominally in charge of at least 3 different large companies, yet this is how you choose to spend your time and energy? Nickel-and-diming Twitter for lulz?

edit: and before someone points out what a big difference a few dollars in the share price would make towards the acquisition price: if he really believes that Twitter has so much untapped potential (economic or otherwise), then a few dollars either way shouldn't matter much. But by going to such lengths to slightly reduce the cost and jeopardize the deal, he shows that he doesn't think it has much potential and/or he's just screwing around.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by dahdum on Friday June 10, 2022 @12:12AM (#31689950)
Twitter is incredibly important to him, without it he’d never have been able to craft his Tesla or SpaceX narratives and garner so much retail support. Buying Twitter guarantees him a (bully) pulpit and raises his profile ever higher. His antics could easily get him banned in the future, with devastating results.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by simondotau on Friday June 10, 2022 @01:28AM (#31690393)
I've heard this said many times but it doesn't align with my own observations of Tesla and SpaceX's success. Is there any evidence that Tesla vehicle sales and SpaceX launch services are driven by Musk's personality?

SpaceX's success is easy to explain: they could do the same task as competitors for a substantially lower price.

As for Tesla's market success, I think that's predominantly driven by the product itself. They won countless car of the year awards. Customer satisfaction levels at near-unprecedented levels. Record-breaking 0-60 times provide an angle for gushing media coverage. And a decade of having no competitors in the market subset of desirable EVs. I've personally never heard anyone mention Elon when describing why they're interested in—or purchased—a Tesla vehcile.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by zerocrates on Friday June 10, 2022 @02:42AM (#31690835)
Tesla's success in the market for cars is not driven by buyers' love for Elon (much), but I'm not sure that's the case for Tesla's vastly disproportionate success in the stock market.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by Someone on Friday June 10, 2022 @03:19AM (#31691104)
IMO, a significant contributor to Tesla’s market success was that they were willing to sell cars at low margins. That’s what got them a decade of having no competitors in the market subset of desirable EVs.

They also intuited/gambled/stumbled upon (pick your verb depending on what you think of it) that “electric and fast” was enough to compete against non-EV cars with much better finish.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by DharmaPolice on Friday June 10, 2022 @02:42AM (#31690834)
They're talking about retail support for the stock price, not Tesla's operational performance in the real world. People aren't buying Tesla cars because of Musks antics but they are (or were) buying Tesla shares on that basis.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by usefulcat on Friday June 10, 2022 @03:54PM (#31698697)
Using Twitter may be important to him, but buying it? Looks to me like the jury is still very much out on that.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by mise_en_place on Friday June 10, 2022 @12:49AM (#31690176)
This whole dog and pony show is showing us what we knew all along - these tech valuations were batshit insane and now we can finally see that these money losing companies are not worth the stock certificates they're printed on
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by ovi256 on Friday June 10, 2022 @08:13AM (#31692970)
> these money losing companies Which companies would that be ? Neither Tesla nor Twitter are losing money.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by enos_feedler on Thursday June 09, 2022 @11:31PM (#31689670)
If he really had an ego he would think “I am so good I can pay 54.20 for this company worth 30.00 and still spin it back into a public company worth $100. I am unstoppable. This is how I think about his ego. It is also why I think he just pays the $54.20 and doesn’t bat an eye. He is just haggling right now if he can. Nothing serious.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by iepathos on Friday June 10, 2022 @04:12AM (#31691381)
Turning twitter into a public company worth $100/share would be below par for Elon's performance with all his previous companies so far. He'll probably turn it into a company worth much more if he actually acquires it. Even just unbanning Trump from the platform would drastically shoot up the share price. Twitter leadership has been screwing itself as a company for some time.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by tsimionescu on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:40AM (#31692673)
It's the $44B he's worried about. That's how much he owes Twitter's shareholders unless he can find some way of either declaring the contract entirely void, or at least triggering one of the clauses that would allow him to get away only paying the $1B.

Both options are very unlikely, but this will drag on.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by macawfish on Friday June 10, 2022 @06:29AM (#31692191)
I call him a fool all the time
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by anonymousiam on Thursday June 09, 2022 @11:53PM (#31689828)
Is the $1B penalty for backing out greater, or less than the difference in capitalization before/after the recent stock downturn. Perhaps he could save money by backing out, paying the $1B, and then making a new offer to shareholders.
Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by tsimionescu on Friday June 10, 2022 @07:38AM (#31692659)
There is no backing out penalty of $1B, as there is no option of backing out. That penalty is only for extreme cases that cause the deal to fall through, such as a discovery of massive fraud or the financing falling through entirely (say, Tesla going bankrupt tomorrow). I those cases, Mush would stop owing $44B and onyl owe $1B instead to Twitter's shareholders.

Unless and until such a thing happens, he owes them ~$44B.

Re:Twitter plans to comply with Musk’s demands for data by behnamoh on Thursday June 09, 2022 @11:59PM (#31689871)
he would make a joke of himself, more than he is already