Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by ufo on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:50AM
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Not sure if I'd agree with /r/legaladvice being full of properly qualified people... IMO, it might be better to ask a lawyer.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by rockbruno on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @10:11AM
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I believe that to be true, but it's a fact that it's impossible to tell the real lawyers apart from the 12 year old armchair ones. It's probably safer to avoid that place.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by werds on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:56AM
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FYI: Its a good idea to pool your cash with some colleges in the same situation to pay for the legal advice, i have done this before, if you have all have the same questions and scenario there is no need for you all to pay multiple times for the same advice.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by lizknope on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @11:55AM
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I agree. I've been in some strange stock option situations and 3 of us hired a tax accountant to investigate everything and help us file the additional paperwork properly. It cost us about $500 but it was better advice than the questionable advice we were getting from our startup's finance person.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by MattPalmer1086 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:13PM
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Good advice, also done this myself.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by mojzu on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:41AM
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I think this is good advice, I'd also start finding and backing up any emails, call logs and other documents that discuss your contract/agreements for remote work as they're likely some of the first things a lawyer would ask to see
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by camjohnson26 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:50AM
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Be very careful with this. An engineer uploaded company files to his personal Dropbox his first week and they fired and sued him. They monitor aggressively.
[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musks-tesla-suing-an-ex...
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by underdeserver on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:57AM
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I'd say downloading your contract and employment logs and downloading 26,000 files is a different thing.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by rfrey on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:55AM
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Your contracts aren't company property.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by dime on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @10:34AM
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If you have a signed NDA, it may cover disclosure of agreements such as employment contracts.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by wbsss4412 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @11:39AM
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The key word there being “disclosure”, if you aren’t telling someone else, you aren’t violating an NDA.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by rfrey on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @08:46PM
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So don't put them up on Facebook. We're talking about keeping a copy of your own contract.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by encryptluks2 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @08:53PM
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NDAs don't exclude legal review by a lawyer.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by hedora on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @11:11AM
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You can always take a picture with your personal phone.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by nikolaedison on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:38AM
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Thank you. I do have generous relocation expenses in my contract. It's just the timing that they are trying to change. They have been stern that there is no flexibility in relocating after August, but I will bring that up again.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by matwood on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:53AM
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Sounds like they are really trying to force you to quit to avoid severance.
Personally, I wouldn't want to work there anymore, but would force them to lay me off.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by nunez on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @11:04AM
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I definitely wouldn't post on legaladvice. Too popular of a sub; too many people playing lawyer; because this is Tesla and Musk, too many polarizing talking points.
Spend the money; get a real lawyer.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by nikolaedison on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:54AM
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How do I contact a lawyer on short notice with relevant expertise? Should I look for lawyers where Tesla is based or where I am based remotely? Google isn't helping much.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by Volundr on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @10:09AM
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If you can get a referral that's probably best, but if you can't, Google "employment lawyer" and look for someone with good reviews. You want someone in the state your employment agreement is governed by. It should say in the agreement. That failing I'd start with someone where they are based. When you call to setup an appointment they will ask if there are any deadlines and try to fit you in if they can.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by Volundr on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @10:11AM
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I'll also note the state bar can refer you to one, but they probably charge a fee, and can be relatively slow.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by james-skemp on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @11:21AM
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Second the suggestion to try the State Bar. In some states lawyers will do a low cost (set fee) (short) initial consultation. Generally called Lawyer Referral Service and within a Public section of the state bar's website.
No fee to use the service in my state.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve...
by iamhamm on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @10:09AM
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Finding lawyers is surprisingly hard. I had to find one for a land dispute in California and this was my starting point: https://www.courts.ca.gov/selfhelp-findlawyer.htm?rdeLocaleA...
Ymmv, but it’s got some good general recommendations (eg contact the bar assoc) along with California specific ones. Good luck!
The other thing to do obviously is talk to them about how it's industry standard for companies to provide financial help for relocation- that should also give you a good idea how serious they are.