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Re:iOS 16 by eternityforest on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @03:27AM (#31650919)
I'm mostly fine with monopolies that exist because nobody can make a better product. It's scary, but there's not much to be done about it.

Unfortunately, Apple is not the kind of product I would actually want to use. They are still behind Android on many features, because the lock so much down, don't prioritize compatibility, etc.

They also cost more, and you can't develop apps for them unless you also have a Mac. To any techie, that's a problem, especially when a MacBook costs more than anything else I've ever owned.

iOS apps also seem to often cost a few bucks, despite free equivalents existing for Android. Perhaps because they are more expensive to make, or because they can't rely on a data collection business model, whatever the case pretty much everything seems more expensive.

There are lots of reports that third party stuff is just a bit worse because of the privacy restrictions.

The UI is non-customizable in a very annoying way, it's all based on gestures and shortcuts with many things hidden.

Apple makes appliances more than computers. Android, Windows, and Linux all share a general idea of doing anything, in any scenario.

With Apple you're never quite sure what they'll do. Anything beyond core phone use cases seems more like a bonus, and a lot of the exclusive features have to do with some other Apple specific thing.

Plus, apparently, they don't have per app notifications, and some are saying that push notifications can be unreliable.

There is essentially never a time when I want anything like a full do not disturb. So... I'd have to be interrupted every 4 seconds by crappy apps that spam notifications to avoid being unreachable?

With Android, you feel like no matter what tech task you want to do, you can probably do it with an app. I don't get the impression Apple is really trying to be more than an appliance.

Re:iOS 16 by cassianoleal on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @03:40AM (#31651012)
> To any techie, that's a problem, especially when a MacBook costs more than anything else I've ever owned.

I don’t mean to be adversarial, but are you saying you’re a techie who never owned something costing more than $1K?

Re:iOS 16 by eternityforest on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @04:35AM (#31651389)
I'm not exactly sure how much my computer costs offhand, since it's been upgraded with RAM and an SSD, but it is probably still a bit under $1k, although likely a bit over if you count all the accessories.

I made the very highly questionable choice of getting into embedded systems with no degree or math talent, and while being clumsy enough I probably shouldn't drive.

.... so I have never made more than $30k a year, usually less, even when I've been in semi-leadership-ish roles designing $10k equipment.

A lot of the big companies that have a spare 100 grand laying around seem to want people who can do RF design and hand solder a BGA.

Low volume work for ultra small non-tech companies is a pretty different skillset.

There's nothing all that advanced, but the schedules are tight, things have to be repairable by people with very limited training, you're doing lots of unrelated work, there's legacy gear everywhere, arbitrary marketing related restrictions, and hardware costs matter.

Admittedly not a very big issue for most working professionals, but I would think it could be a bit of a problem for anyone in a non-tech industry trying to learn on their own.

Re:iOS 16 by jiggawatts on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @06:53AM (#31652321)
Sometimes it is easy to forget that there's a huge range of incomes around the world, and iGadgets are distinctively premium. They're targetted at Californian yuppies, and get less popular as you move further from that target demographic. In third-world countries, Android has nearly 100% market share. In some Western countries, Apple is supreme.

At the same time, there have been comments (here also), that because iDevices have such amazing support and hence longevity, they're actually more cost-efficient. Hand-me-downs and resale value make an investment into an iPhone or iPad actually better value for money than replacing an Android device several times over the same time span because Samsung et al like to drop support like it's going out of style. For example, an iPhone I bought 6 years ago is still actively supported and in-use by some elderly relatives. It still gets updates!

Reminds me of this quote from Terry Prattchet's discworld series:

A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.”

Re:iOS 16 by eternityforest on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @02:48PM (#31658524)
I'm not sure they're targeted at California yuppies. There are people way worse off than me who not only have an iPhone, it's less than 3 years old. In some places it seems like you can even get looked down on for not having one. Seems like there's a lot of premium goods in that category.

iPhones kind of have to be, they wouldn't be very useful if they weren't mass market with the ecosystem that comes with that.

They might be very slightly more cost effective in the long run, but many modern Android devices promise multiple years of support, and of course, one can(As I'm currently doing, but should probably stop) use them beyond that period, or install aftermarket firmware on some of them.

Samsung seems to do security updates for about 4 years now, and OnePlus promises 3 major versions.

Re:iOS 16 by cassianoleal on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @08:42AM (#31653349)
Great points, thanks!
Re:iOS 16 by MagnumOpus on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @04:14AM (#31651238)
If you are under 30 and live in a major city with access to public transport, you might not be able to afford the downpayment for a house while never needing to buy a car, the other big ticket item. (And usually other appliances/toys are cheaper than Apple products, be it bikes, TVs, game consoles etc).
Re:iOS 16 by cassianoleal on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @04:17AM (#31651263)
I understand. I have been under 30 in a major city. I'm a lot older than that now and am still unable to afford the downpayment for a house, regardless of the need for a car.

That said, a 1K computer that would wholly replace your other (probably >1K) computer shouldn't really affect your ability to afford that.

Re:iOS 16 by Gigachad on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @03:34AM (#31650965)
The fact that Android seems to fill all of your needs shows that there is viable competition and the market is still working fine.

Most of the stuff you listed as an is things that others desire as a feature. And if that isn’t you, Android is a great alternative.

Re:iOS 16 by astrange on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @03:35AM (#31650977)
> There is essentially never a time when I want anything like a full do not disturb. So... I'd have to be interrupted every 4 seconds by crappy apps that spam notifications to avoid being unreachable?

Your solution is focus modes, which they spent rather a long time talking about in the keynote.

Re:iOS 16 by eternityforest on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @05:12AM (#31651679)
Now that I read about them, focus modes do seem like they're usable, but I'm not 100% sure, without spending a half hour looking into it.

Some say you can whitelist the messages app and let all contacts message you, some say that doesn't work? There's a lot more discussion and confusion than I'd hope to see about it.

It just seems a little less smooth than I'd expected, like as if "No affect on any other notifications, just make this Aliexpress app stop spamming" isn't really a core use case.

Re:iOS 16 by astrange on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @06:49PM (#31660965)
Why do you even have its notifications on if you don’t like them?

nb there’s also time sensitive vs not time sensitive notifications that can be filtered on, but it’s up to the app to say which are which.

Re:iOS 16 by teho on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @09:58AM (#31654389)
> Plus, apparently, they don't have per app notifications, and some are saying that push notifications can be unreliable.

iOS does have per application notification settings. Also apps have to ask permissions to even send them. You can also change how each app's notifications behave. It's also possible to group all notifications from an app or a group of apps to be shown at certain time of a day, all at once. I don't think there's any reliability issues.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/11/01/how-to-manage-not...

The focus modes expand this so that you have even more power to control how notifications work at certain time of day (or location etc). Focus modes also apply to all your Apple devices at once.

> iOS apps also seem to often cost a few bucks, despite free equivalents existing for Android. Perhaps because they are more expensive to make, or because they can't rely on a data collection business model, whatever the case pretty much everything seems more expensive.

This has a benefit that there are more high quality apps on iOS than on Android and the apps aren't abandoned as often.

Re:iOS 16 by teekert on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @03:38AM (#31650995)
"I'm mostly fine with monopolies that exist because nobody can make a better product. It's scary, but there's not much to be done about it."

It could be that nobody can make a better product, because of their power. Buying power for parts, for startups, for marketing, lawyers.

That said, I'm not for regulating too much, they do indeed make a fine product. I have an iPhone, it's to closed for my tasted but it just really works well.

Re:iOS 16 by eternityforest on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @05:13AM (#31651690)
The new EU open platform regulations seem like about the right amount of regulation to me.