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Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by refurb on Monday June 06, 2022 @09:50AM (#31640444)
As a non-American who lived in the US, I've noticed that Americans tend to do a lot of navel gazing about the state of America - without knowing much about how other countries deal with it. A lot of blame is on the media which tend to exaggerate and sensationalize news and the US outlets are experts at it.

If you spend time outside the US, you'd realize the problems the US deal with are pretty similar to the problems other countries deal with.

But Americans with little knowledge of the world outside the US catastrophize what's going on the in the US - "the Republic is falling!", "it's never been this bad!", "Americans are so ignorant!" and "nobody has ever had this problem, ever!".

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by suture on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:00AM (#31640580)
I’ve lived in Germany for a while and grew up in Central America (though in an American colony). From my perspective the U.S is in a state of imperial decline. The republic is indeed failing. In fact, I think it’s dead but most people just don’t realize this. I can list a number of reasons for this belief and I could be completely wrong.

However, reasons for my beliefs are not due to a lack of knowledge of the world outside the U.S. Empires die eventually and change happens. The major power and structural problems in the U.S. are not sustainable and will eventually have to change. Whether that change comes peacefully or violently I can’t say.

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by wing-_-nuts on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:28AM (#31640953)
The empire might be failing, but it is possible for the US to peacefully step back, like the UK did after WWII.

One thing I wonder is, who steps up? China, for sure, though it's grappling with population decline as an existential crisis. The EU? The EU has never 'stepped up' for anything. The US sat patiently by and tried to let Europe deal with Milosevich. That utterly failed. The EU was also almost ripped apart by the greek debt crisis, so it too is having real issues.

A post US hegimon world is going to be a very different world, and not necessarily a better one.

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by guerrilla on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:41AM (#31641105)
> The US sat patiently by and tried to let Europe deal with Milosevich

What do you mean? NATO bombed the shit out of what became Serbia, they withdrew from Kosovo and he was arrested two years later...

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by wing-_-nuts on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:51AM (#31641226)
NATO, lead by the US after we waited ages for the European community to sort things out. Europe really dropped the ball there, and proved themselves almost wholly incapable of dealing with an internal security problem.
Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by guerrilla on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:53AM (#31641250)
Hmmm, I guess and maybe you remember better than I do but how is that not the same thing as NATO and the UN dropping the ball? Is it not the case that everyone waited a year to do anything?
Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by wing-_-nuts on Monday June 06, 2022 @11:55AM (#31642095)
The UN will never solve anything because it requires unanimous support from russia and china on the security council. nato is a defensive alliance that only really comes into effect when a member is attacked. I'm not even sure what pretext allowed nato to get involved here, but Europe basically twiddled their thumbs while genocide happened on the european continent. This only really changed when the US got involved to keep things from spiraling out of control like 1914.
Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by refurb on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:16AM (#31640799)
I assume you get most of your news from mass media and their "BREAKING" headlines? If so, I'm not surprised you hold that view.

Accusations of the US "in decline" were happening back in the 60's and 70's when things were much worse than they are now, like order of magnitude worse.

As I said, navel gazing and lack of perspective tend to dominate news in coverage of the US.

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by suture on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:50AM (#31641202)
I don’t watch television news or any television news program or talk show. I don’t listen to radio news or radio talk shows either. I don’t read the news as such. I will read comments that people write on this site and some others but I am not a consumer of news as such.

As I said, I can give reasons for my beliefs and those reasons are not due to ignorance.

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by refurb on Monday June 06, 2022 @08:49PM (#31648485)
I will read comments that people write on this site and some others but I am not a consumer of news as such.

The only information source about the US is based on comments on social media?

No wonder your view of the US is so pessimistic.

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by wutbrodo on Monday June 06, 2022 @11:34AM (#31641797)
FWIW, I've noticed this with non-Americans too. I did a backpacking trip around the world when I was 25, and the proportion of European women (always women) who felt like it was their duty to lecture or question me about the US's unique evil was absurd.

Unsurprisingly, I was a lot more informed and a _lot_ better at arguing than they were, so it was pretty trivial to completely demolish their points quickly enough that it didn't turn into "an argument", with the attendant social friction of disagreements that drag on.

I no longer spend much time around women in their early 20s, so I'm spared these extremes of ignorance, but I still occasionally come across the same tendency occasionally, albeit with a lot more maturity. The US is still something close to a global hegemon, so it's a target for hyperbolic projection by every simpleton in the world that wants to sound educated on geopolitics. Note that this also includes the best-country-in-the-world jingoists that can't recognize America's exceptional positive qualities without violently dismissing its exceptional negative qualities.

I have an uncle who's convinced that literally every conflict in the Middle East is entirely the US's fault, entirely ignoring a region that's been beset by conflict for millennia, as well as the modern borders drawn in crayon by the British on their way out. The best strategy, on HN and in real life, is to nod & smile & understand that these people have no hope of and no interest in understanding reality.