Re:Norway to track all supermarket purchases?
by axg11 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:44AM
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The people in society who need help the most often have the least trust in government and don't have the means to understand and navigate programmes that could help them.
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Re:Norway to track all supermarket purchases?
by californical on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:03PM
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How does surveilling them and then coming to them with assistance increase their trust? Seems like it would decrease trust. I mean I distrust a lot of government functions, and would trust them less in that case.
Re:Norway to track all supermarket purchases?
by hutzlibu on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:09PM
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This might be, because the programs are often not helpful.
Here in germany I know stories of how asking for help mainly resulted in the children taken away (and cared for badly).
It depends on the area and the people working on it, I also know of good institutions, but I can see, why the so called underclass is sceptical of the common state institutions.
Most help that comes, comes with hard obligations, that mainly keep them down. Give a struggeling person a bunch of paperwork to fill out and he or she will just struggle more. And only once they are down enough, they get a certain label and then they get a more or less competent government helper, putting them totally into dependent state. Most have accepted their state as retarded by then and rarely make it up again.
Re:Norway to track all supermarket purchases?
by leksak on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:43PM
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I remember this one time when I had a hard time making ends meet so I got a housing subsidy which made me be able to afford rent at the time. This was more or less the first 6 months of that year. After that I got a job, and cancelled my subsidy the moment I started my employment. I got "back debt" and had to pay back a substantial amount of the subsidy I've gotten (remember: without it, I wouldn't have made rent routinely). Effectively, while paying back that debt, as a gainfully employed person - I had less money at the end of each month (after paying rent that is) than while on the subsidy (after paying rent).
I did feel kept down at that time.
Re:Norway to track all supermarket purchases?
by jacooper on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:12PM
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That's on the government to fix, the solution is definitely not to track everyone in the country to spot who needs help.
Re:Norway to track all supermarket purchases?
by CryptoBanker on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:05PM
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Programs like the proposed one would require trust you day is missing though