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Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by rrrrrrrrrrrrr on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:00AM (#31620404)
As a student sidegig you can easily just found a small businesses for like 35 EUR and do business. There’s also GbRs that can theoretically be formed on a paper towel. Thought, it will probably not be easy to raise money this way.
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by SkyAndSand on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:34AM (#31620793)
.. and you are personally liable for anything damages caused by the business.
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by sokoloff on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:56AM (#31621027)
Surely the requirement that a limited liability company has some minimum assets is reasonable for exactly that reason. You wouldn’t want someone to be able to form a company whose liability was limited to couple hundred Euros of assets the company was formed with.
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by lucakiebel on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:00AM (#31621072)
That’s exactly what the UG (haftungsbeschränkt) does, you can set one up with (theoretically) 1€ (though in practice it’s more like 250€), and you then have a GmbH with lower liability
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by harha on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:55AM (#31621862)
Yeah but pay many thousands per year for filing taxes etc and spend years to dissolve. Along with all the personal liability as director.

UG is a massive scam in that sense, definitely not what’s advertised.

Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by pantalaimon on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:40PM (#31624826)
And that’s exactly why a UG doesn’t look trustworthy to most business partners
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by SkyAndSand on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:13AM (#31621247)
Well, isn't that exactly what is happening if you set up a US LLC or a UK LTD? You get limited liability and can set up the company with a couple hundred dollars or pounds. Why would that be a problem in Germany but not in these jurisdictions?
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by weinzierl on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:27AM (#31621430)
You can set up a UG for quasi nothing in Germany and it would be roughly equivalent to a US LLC or UK LTD with no capital. Thing is that almost no one does and the reason is that it is hard to do business as an UG because lack of trust as GP said.

I can't tell you why it is like that in Germany, but I'm curious why it isn't like that in the US and the UK.

Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by ng55QPSK on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:06PM (#31622001)
(german here and part time owner of a business as GbR - a rock band). I think it clearly comming from another tradition, businesses in germany start as person/owner funded than as externally funded. But the mentioned UG was to help change this state. Still, most partners/contractors would like to see a GmbH.
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by mytailorisrich on Sunday June 05, 2022 @09:14AM (#31630681)
The UK hasn't got something similar to UG because it does not need to.

They made Ltd companies simple and cheap so that there is no need to complicate things like in Germany and most European countries.

Since the vast majority of companies are Ltd companies there isn't any connotation attached to them. You can just look the company up to check how old it is and to convince yourself of its 'trustworthiness'.

Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by ElevenLathe on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:22AM (#31621359)
IANAL but I think the answer for US single-member LLCs is that if you were ever to actually say, cause 100k of damage to somebody else's property through the actions of your single-person LLC and they were to take you to court, the judge would quickly find that the liability passes through to you, so it's not really all that different from a sole proprietorship (aka just doing business as yourself) in that regard.
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by SkyAndSand on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:40AM (#31621636)
I am also not a lawyer but for me it doesn't seem to be that easy to pierce the corporate veil https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/personal-liability-p...
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by nilsbunger on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:47AM (#31621738)
In the US you’re responsible for your own personal actions regardless of LLC existence or not.

If you’re selling a product, the LLC should protect you from liability caused by the product. (With many caveats)

But the LLC won’t protect you from your personal actions

Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by chmars on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:38PM (#31623106)
According to German law, executives can be held responsible anyway …
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by 2Gkashmiri on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:11AM (#31621223)
As a "student" or even a starup entrepreneur, you usually don't have "assets" under your name that your creditors can take over in case of a potential lawsuit.

If I were an entrepreneur and my startup would incur 100 million dollars of liabilities, my assets won't cut it so the more appropriate to say " you are personally liable for damages to the extent of your assets. "

Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by notpushkin on Sunday June 05, 2022 @05:29AM (#31629334)
Can't this be overridden (mostly) by simply specifying liability limit in all your contracts?
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by andi999 on Monday June 06, 2022 @03:52PM (#31645257)
And you are not eligible for government startup funding support after you finish your degree, since it only supporte your first company ('exist' program).
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by dathinab on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:15AM (#31620566)
Universities also provide consulting and crash curses for stuff like that.
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by teddyh on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:55AM (#31621015)
A crash curse sounds risky.
Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by dathinab on Sunday June 05, 2022 @11:50AM (#31632058)
It would have been good enough to avoid at least one of the mistake done.

but yes, just relying on some crash course and nothing else is never recommendable

Re:How I would start my next startup in Germany without a Gm... by teddyh on Sunday June 05, 2022 @04:06PM (#31634383)
I was just making a joke about the misspelling.