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Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by akomtu on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @06:44PM (#31511786)
If we give up a right every time someone commits a crime using this right, soon we'll be left without rights. The next obvious target is speech: it's often used to incite violence at scale, and strict speech control would prevent that. But I'd rather live in a free country and accept the risks.
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by trs8080 on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @07:03PM (#31511983)
Sacrificing other people's children at the altar of "freedom" isn't "accepting the risks." What risk have you taken?
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by jstream67 on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @10:33PM (#31513623)
but you can argue 'for the children' in order to take away any freedom. Politicians do it so often it has become a meme. They are doing it right now to try and ban encryption for example..
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by akomtu on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @07:47PM (#31512391)
I also support freedom of thought. Does it mean I'm responsible for all nefarious crimes thought out in advance? If so, should I get credit for all discoveries made by others?
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by bitwize on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @06:56PM (#31511904)
There are plenty of free countries without a First Amendment -- and saying something even vaguely Nazi-like in some of those countries risks criminal penalty. Furthermore, the absolutist interpretation of free speech we commonly associate with the First Amendment (virtually all speech protected, barring speech that causes immediate or imminent harm like threats, fighting words, and CSAM) has only really prevailed since 1969. I mean, immediately after the Bill of Rights was Ratified, Congress passed the Alien and Sedition Acts.

Anyway, I don't believe that owning a firearm without a license and strict government oversight is a right.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by klyrs on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @10:01PM (#31513363)
> There are plenty of free countries without a First Amendment -- and saying something even vaguely Nazi-like in some of those countries risks criminal penalty.

This sounds like an extreme exaggeration, do you have a source to back that up? I've heard similar said about Canada, for example, but I've familiarized myself with the legislation and some case law and there is a very high bar to getting somebody a slap on the wrist.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by robofanatic on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @10:46PM (#31513770)
you have full right to live your life dangerously but you have no right to put others lives in danger.
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by CincinnatiMan on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @11:36PM (#31514174)
Unfortunately while that's an easy and vague statement to say, getting into the detailed implementations of what you're trying to say becomes difficult.
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by scollet on Thursday May 26, 2022 @12:11AM (#31514424)
> The next obvious target is speech

In context this is supplemental to violent suppression of minorities.