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Re:The New York Times is wrong about Haiti by hammock on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @01:05PM (#31507310)
If a newspaper were to simply present the facts and let the reader come to their own conclusion, that might be viewed as dangerous.
Re:The New York Times is wrong about Haiti by 30944836 on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @01:09PM (#31507377)
That's not really possible, given that the mere omission of facts, or the placement of facts next to each other influences the conclusion.

Besides which, people think in stories, and presenting just a list of facts isn't going to be read by anyone.

Re:The New York Times is wrong about Haiti by hunterb123 on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @01:25PM (#31507617)
That's a separate issue which should be a concern but shouldn't prevent you from wanting to correct the other issues. You can compare different outlets to see ommission of news.

The spin, speculation, and lack of sources are the other issues.

I would read a list of facts over a story. I hate fluff. Most people don't even read the story, they read the title and possibly the first/last paragaph.

Re:The New York Times is wrong about Haiti by leononame on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @01:15PM (#31507466)
I don't think this could be remotely possible. Just by deciding which facts to publish you already present an opinion.

I see this sentiment floating around a lot, but I think it's a bit of a naïve approach. Just by deciding which news to publish a newspaper already has a bias.

Re:The New York Times is wrong about Haiti by hunterb123 on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @01:26PM (#31507636)
It would be a step in the right direction. You can always compare outlets from many sides to find omission of facts / topics.

You can also do that to highlight the spin, but wouldn't it be nice if there was no spin in the first place?

Re:The New York Times is wrong about Haiti by pessimizer on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @03:33PM (#31509423)
> It would be a step in the right direction.

The argument is that it's not possible, not that it wouldn't be desirable if it were. The way to get all of the unbiased facts not intended to illustrate a narrative is to be omnipotent. Otherwise, you're getting filtered information from someone telling you what they saw. The reason they leave out what color socks they were wearing at the time they saw it is because they're filtering the information down to what they think is relevant to their narrative.

Re:The New York Times is wrong about Haiti by hunterb123 on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @05:15PM (#31510667)
Your interpretation is not possible. But the general idea of exposing facts more than speculation and slants is possible.

I believe GP was more suggesting the latter than the former.

Re:The New York Times is wrong about Haiti by havblue on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @01:14PM (#31507449)
I'm not sure if simply presenting the facts is a viable business model for most news organizations. User attention and advertisements are what they sell, not information.
Re:The New York Times is wrong about Haiti by pid-1 on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @01:22PM (#31507569)
Have you ever tried presenting any facts to anyone?

The word "fact" is very very sloppy.

Re:The New York Times is wrong about Haiti by sudden_dystopia on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @01:10PM (#31507385)
Dangerous to people that feel threatened by a feee thinking populace, ie authoritarians.