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Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by ZeroGravitas on Friday May 20, 2022 @04:15AM (#31444676)
Do you have a strategy of selling on the peaks (possibly even buying on the lows with some of the proceeds) to eventually exit while ahead or are you just holding because you have a strong belief that it can only rise in future and it's not worth following the day to day drama (as many do with stocks)?

Either way, you personally benefit from belief in Bitcoin and crypto being generally positive, which has implications for your objectivity even if well meaning.

Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by xiphias2 on Friday May 20, 2022 @04:21AM (#31444723)
If there would be a huge peak, like $200k, I would sell, but generally I don’t believe I can compete with the hedge funds trading Bitcoin, so it’s the second. The only exception was the Bitcoin Cash hard fork, that I strongly opposed as it was being pushed by companies so aggressively even though there was no rough consensus reached, while segregated witness fork contained several critical bug fixes for Bitcoin. I sold all my Bitcoin Cash instantly for about 0.13 BCH/BTC exchange rate.
Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by arethuza on Friday May 20, 2022 @05:10AM (#31444992)
Out of interest, do you set explicit targets like "if it gets to X I will sell"?

Just wondering as I'd have thought a "peak" is only evident in retrospect?

Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by chii on Friday May 20, 2022 @05:23AM (#31445085)
The way i've been looking at it is thru the lens of allocation ratios. You never have one asset with a high allocation (compared to another). You also have to decide ahead of time (when you start investing) what an appropriate allocation ratio is between the different assets (e.g., you might have 10% bonds, 80% stocks and 10% crypto).

Then, one or twice a year, you an reallocate assets as they drift away from the ratio. Doing it too often is detrimental, so my guess is once a year is "enough", and may be keep an eye on any fluctuations and if it grows bigger than some threshold, you do a second rebalance.

Let's say in 2021, crypto had a huge bull run, and went from just being 10% of your allocation to something close to 20%. It makes a lot of sense then, to sell the 10%, and rebalance back into the other assets you hold.

Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by fleddr on Friday May 20, 2022 @08:48AM (#31446670)
The intelligent strategy is to do progressive selling on the way up rather than try and predict the absolute top, which nobody realistically can do.

Progressive selling on the way up is emotionally very hard to do, as it feels like you're losing money whilst actually being in profit. It's tempting to fully ride the top. Don't.

Next, when the inevitable crash comes, you're uniquely positioned to buy in heavily as you have the dry powder to do so. This too is emotionally hard as everybody is fearful, "blood in the streets". Here too you can progressively buy in rather than try and predict the bottom.

This strategy only works for things that bounce back, which is not true for almost every altcoin or shitcoin.

You can also take permanent profits. Once I made my first significant profit, I took out my initial investment so that effectively I'm in crypto only with profits. I could lose it all and whilst that wouldn't make me happy, it wouldn't truly affect me either.

Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by xiphias2 on Friday May 20, 2022 @05:31AM (#31445144)
I’m extremely bad at trading, but it didn’t stop me from achieving amazing returns. Just an example last year I had a target of $150k when it was at $50k, and also (like most people) I got a BTC based loan (it made sense for tax purposes as well). The problem was that everybody was doing it, and professional traders probably used those loans to short the market and trigger margin calls. I had multiple margin calls as well, but I was able to add extra collateral. At the same time I spoke with a person who lost all his money because he bought BTC/ETH from his loan.

At the end the only experience I got is that I’m still a bad trader, and I won’t do it :)

Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by rvz on Friday May 20, 2022 @06:53AM (#31445663)
That is only if you bought Bitcoin when it was <$10K and as low as $5K or 6K in March 2020 which I hope you got in at the time and not at $20K, $30K or $40K.

> Just an example last year I had a target of $150k when it was at $50k, and also (like most people) I got a BTC based loan (it made sense for tax purposes as well).

That doesn't sound like a good idea in the middle of a bull run and everyone being in profit on Bitcoin when it was at $50K last year or even $69K. I have a different strategy - taking profits and taking advantage of the hype.

It's better to get in when the market crashes so that you can buy it significantly lower, (Like say <$10K) and sell some of it during the height of the euphoria, than it is to enter when everything is going up and end up bag-holding and waiting months, or years in an unrealised loss for it to go back up again.

Hence being against anyone jumping in at >$60K last year [0] and warning another person about DOGE going all the way up and bag-holding it at $0.6; thinking that it will go to $1 by August. [0]

Anyways, Good luck with your strategy.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27206314

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27046019

Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by lupire on Friday May 20, 2022 @08:06AM (#31446199)
You can't buy the dip during a peak. PP got a loan at 50 which is a bearish trade, halfway to shorting.
Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by rvz on Friday May 20, 2022 @08:54AM (#31446732)
> You can't buy the dip during a peak.

The people who bought in at around >$40K and higher just did that and are now bag-holding in drawdown.

> PP got a loan at 50 which is a bearish trade, halfway to shorting.

Well no wonder they received multiple margin calls when the smart traders were taking profits or shorting from >$60K with him ending up on the wrong side of the trade or entering at higher prices and holding into unrealised losses.

Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by thebean11 on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:09AM (#31447616)
It's completely different, OP still owned the BTC, it was just collateral to a loan. The loan currency was presumably USD, so they were short USD but still long BTC.
Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by eternalban on Friday May 20, 2022 @05:54AM (#31445292)
r/trader/gambler
Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by lupire on Friday May 20, 2022 @08:02AM (#31446166)
Thars like saying r/poker player/gambler

Financial instrument trading is always gambling. Imvesting is what it's not.

Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by __s on Friday May 20, 2022 @08:13AM (#31446266)
I bought in 2017 & sold the peak. My strategy was that in 2017 I back of the enveloped a fair price of 30k CAD, so when I checked in awhile later it was 69k CAD I knew things were getting stupid & had to sell for the memes

I also sold most my investments in January because I wanted to buy a house. Moral of the story: be a lucky bastard like me

I believe crypto doesn't need to "go to the moon" to succeed. If bitcoin hit a stable price of 1k it still works. If I were to make another play in the crypto space I'd probably do something stupid like buy 32 eth & stake it in eth 2.0

Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by cableshaft on Friday May 20, 2022 @02:27PM (#31450891)
Coinbase supports staking ETH into ETH 2.0 without needing 32 ETH to do so. You can put pretty much as little as you want in. Yield is 3.68% right now. You can see what you're earning but you won't be able to move it until the ETH merge.
Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by __s on Friday May 20, 2022 @02:38PM (#31451016)
https://www.stakingrewards.com/earn/ethereum-2-0

Or 4.75% running it yourself, & figuring out how to run a validator seems more fun than handing coinbase your funds. I strongly disagree with people having their crypto held by third parties

Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by cableshaft on Friday May 20, 2022 @04:18PM (#31452041)
If you feel like purchasing the 32 ETH to run a validator and/or set things up with a staking pool, that's great, have fun. I personally don't have that much, and I was also hesitant to put it into a staking pool since I couldn't just unstake it whenever, and I trust Coinbase a bit more than a staking pool. I have most of my crypto in non-custodial wallets myself.

Was just mentioning it in case you (or someone else on HN) weren't aware it was an option, but clearly you are.

Re:The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked by scotty79 on Friday May 20, 2022 @07:41AM (#31446015)
Rule of thumb might be that it's best to sell some around one year after halving. So the next sell window is around 2025.