Re:Ubuntu 11.10, Introduce new top-level directory /run
by AdamGibbins on Saturday October 22, 2011 @01:18PM
(#3143867)
It's actually an alteration to the Linux Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) that most distros are adopting (all likely will in the future). Nothing specifically to do with Ubuntu.
Re:Ubuntu 11.10, Introduce new top-level directory /run
by elehack on Saturday October 22, 2011 @12:11PM
(#3143740)
It's an interesting run-down of the new Debian and Fedora feature (and a very good change IMO), but the title is misleading - what does the linked article have to do with Ubuntu, 11.10 or otherwise?
Re:Ubuntu 11.10, Introduce new top-level directory /run
by sbayless on Saturday October 22, 2011 @12:22PM
(#3143771)
Do you think you could you link to that bug? I just upgraded to 11.10, I don't have a /run directory, and I did have some boot problems that I worked around. (A google search didn't turn anything up.)
Edit: My mistake, after rebooting, this folder popped right up :)
Re:Ubuntu 11.10, Introduce new top-level directory /run
by dfc on Saturday October 22, 2011 @06:31PM
(#3144485)
The problem is that certain people (no comment) do not realize the value of debian and the same people's fanboyism for Ubuntu leads them to be Ubuntu is the greatest thing in the world.
Re:Ubuntu 11.10, Introduce new top-level directory /run
by adamrmcd on Saturday October 22, 2011 @12:14PM
(#3143750)
> Why do we need /run?
>
> There is a need for a writable location to store data
> during early boot, before / is made writable (and it
> might be read only even during normal operation).
> Currently, no cross-distribution standardized location
> exists for this purpose. Debian uses /lib/init/rw; Ubuntu
> apparently does some very complex stuff linking /var/run
> to /lib/init/rw and using showthrough mounts. Other
> distributions do their own thing. Several programs chose
> not to use /lib/init/rw due to it being non-standard, and
> continued to use /dev/.foo due to udev mounting a tmpfs
> there which could be abused as a data store during early
> boot. /run provides a standard place for these use cases.
So, this is one of those "no user-serviceable parts inside" changes. The purpose is only for developers during bootup.
Re:Ubuntu 11.10, Introduce new top-level directory /run
by ominous_prime on Saturday October 22, 2011 @12:21PM
(#3143767)
IIRC, this was hashed out and accepted months ago, but is only now starting to see use in new releases.
I for one, was impressed by the decision. Unlike what often happens when multiple distros are involved, everyone seemed come to a consensus quickly, and said "let's make it happen".
Re:Ubuntu 11.10, Introduce new top-level directory /run
by saljam on Saturday October 22, 2011 @04:04PM
(#3144205)
/run has been in Debian unstable for quite a while now actually, at least 3-4 months. /var/run is just a symlink. I think this is related to the systemd stuff.
Personally, the first thing I do when I install a Linux is write a simple /etc/rc script which mounts filesystems and launches daemons. No /etc/init.d/* start stop stuff, no /run. The result is almost always simpler and faster. My thinkpad takes 3 seconds from bootloader to X11.
Re:Ubuntu 11.10, Introduce new top-level directory /run
by dfc on Saturday October 22, 2011 @08:14PM
(#3144693)
How do you handle dependencies? One of the slickest things about debian boot/init is resolvconf populating dnscache's list of dns servers with the dhcp reply. I love that. I'd wait a minute extra just for that.
Re:Ubuntu 11.10, Introduce new top-level directory /run
by calpaterson on Saturday October 22, 2011 @06:56PM
(#3144536)
His point is that dpkg is unable to support installation of multiple versions of a package. update-alternatives and having custom packaging (like with python2.6 and python2.7) solves some of this issue, but Gobolinux deals with it a lot better
Re:Ubuntu 11.10, Introduce new top-level directory /run
by vacri on Saturday October 22, 2011 @07:16PM
(#3144587)
Just had a look at gobolinux now - that filesystem change seems like a sledgehammer to counter the 'lack of ease' in tapping in the picture-hook problem of installing two programs.
It was introduced in 3.0 of the standards: https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/476610-a-look-at-the-f...
The submitter is trying to stir things up.
Edit: My mistake, after rebooting, this folder popped right up :)
did you upgrade from 11.04 or lower ?
Would be good, but, let me know if FHS actually accepts this. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
I for one, was impressed by the decision. Unlike what often happens when multiple distros are involved, everyone seemed come to a consensus quickly, and said "let's make it happen".
Introducing /run (lwn.net) — http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2387495
Personally, the first thing I do when I install a Linux is write a simple /etc/rc script which mounts filesystems and launches daemons. No /etc/init.d/* start stop stuff, no /run. The result is almost always simpler and faster. My thinkpad takes 3 seconds from bootloader to X11.
You still can't easily install 2 versions of a program in Debian. It's 2011.