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Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by konschubert on Thursday May 12, 2022 @08:04AM (#31352752)
Serious question, how do you know whether it's your product or your marketing that sucks?

For example, I tried twitter ads for my product [1] and I got zero sales after spending $50.

What are good marketing strategies for niche hardware products?

[1] https://www.invisible-computers.com/

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by executive on Thursday May 12, 2022 @08:28AM (#31353020)
[1] looks like a hastily prepared landing page for a dropshipped AliExpress product. 1 photo, no video. Why only Google Calendar? How to 'use your phone to connect'? Is there a companion app? Why is contact page under Policies and labelled Imprint? Why 2 Privacy Policy links? About us section reads like boilerplate scam and links off-site to some random blog. Line height config looks ugly in bottom nav area.

At least it works without Javascript.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by konschubert on Thursday May 12, 2022 @09:11AM (#31353600)
Hi, thank you for having a go over it! This is great feedback.

I find it really, really hard to take good pictures and even harder to take video. I am getting help with that and I hope the situation will improve.

yes, there is a companion app, should I make that more clear?

The contact page is labelled imprint because that's the law here in Germany... I could have an additional contact page though.

The two privacy policies are because one is for visitors of the website and one is for users of my product. Two totally different contexts, and I was unsure how to fuse them. Probably also something I should get help with.

I cut down on the about us section. But I agree this needs some work still...

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by executive on Thursday May 12, 2022 @09:44AM (#31354063)
Looking better already!

On clickthru Shopify page, there are some decent photos. But would replace/remove the Amazon text in one of them.

Also would show the back / cord & connector.

Yes, would have apps page with direct links to store.

Re: contact page. Is this actually true? This page for example still says contact when viewing Germany version of page. https://teenage.engineering/contact

Re: privacy: you could have one link, with some way to show both once you get to that page. Few will read this anyway, may as well not clutter home page with 2 links.

Good luck my friend.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by VonGallifrey on Friday May 13, 2022 @05:30AM (#31365138)
> Re: contact page. Is this actually true? This page for example still says contact when viewing Germany version of page.

That is a Swedish site and as a foreign organisation, they are exempt from the Imprint requirement in Germany.

Imprint is generally something that should be present on a german website, though it isn't really enforced. You could get sued though if you don't have it.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by konschubert on Thursday May 12, 2022 @10:29AM (#31354743)
Thank you
Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by sdwr on Thursday May 12, 2022 @02:31PM (#31358260)
Piling on for some feedback here. This isnt a product that people need. Everyone already has access to a calendar on their phone, on paper, on a whiteboard, whatever.

So it has to be something people want. And it doesnt look cool/sleek/exciting enough for people to want it. The bezel is huge, its black and white, and looks overpriced.

Some marketing angles work, but your product has to honestly support them. Ex:

- hackable. Need to show off connection interface, API, some cool project examples. As far as I can tell, LEDs never hurt here.

- sophisticated/elegant.

- useful. Seems easier to use /better than what people are already doing.

- cool. Buys access to a group of exciting people you wouldn't get to meet otherwise.

But the absolute best way to market a hardware product is to stop making it about tech. My dad bought a digital picture frame a while back as a gift. Thats a way easier bar to clear, its emotional, sentimental, symbolic, so the technical execution doesnt need to be as flawless.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by corobo on Thursday May 12, 2022 @10:50AM (#31355054)
If your business wraps up does this turn into a pretty brick?

My instant wonder and would be a deal breaker until I found out if the device pulls from the calendar directly or via a proxy you run if it helps any

Going by the language in the privacy policy it’s the proxy method. I’d have to pass, personally. Looks great but I got no use for it if you shut down

Also it’s “sold out” so I assume it doesn’t and won’t exist until you get enough interest. For me this is more an impulse buy, give me a week thinking about it and I’d forget about it completely (then 2 years later I get an email “xyzzy is complete and shipping now!” with no reminder of what it is)

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by konschubert on Thursday May 12, 2022 @12:06PM (#31356108)
It’s pretty cheap to keep the API running and I promised myself I’d be doing that for many years even if I make 0 money with it.

But I want to be upfront about the fact that there are things beyond my control that might force me to shut down some or all functionality. For example, if google shuts down access to the calendar API, the calendar feature will be in trouble.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by aidos on Thursday May 12, 2022 @02:24PM (#31358147)
Yeah, your website sucks. The product looks really nice, but the landing page barely even feels like it wants me to check it out. I can barely even tell it’s a landing page.

I was actually thinking about exactly this product earlier this week. I have kids and their schedule is really complicated these days - some days some of them need packed lunches, uniform is different on PE days etc etc. I want to walk into the kitchen and have the details for the day right there. There’s a real use for the product, you need to work on the landing page (I’d suggest considering starting again with a template)

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by konschubert on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:21PM (#31359011)
Puh, I tried so hard with that website. I don't know, design and marketing is just sooo hard for me.

Do you have a template that you think I should use?

And do you know maybe somebody who could help me build a better landing page without costing me all my life savings?

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by aidos on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:53PM (#31359406)
Sorry, didn’t want to poo poo the whole thing. Don’t get down about it! This is an opportunity to rework the site so it works for you.

As sibling comment says, use a website builder instead. Something like shopify will have everything you need (though I’m not massively familiar with it myself).

Another suggestion I have is to focus on the target audience. I skimmed the doc you linked to about uploading images (couldn’t find any extra docs on the site at a glance btw) and it felt geek heavy in terminology.

The shots of the device look nice, but there’s an app for managing it? Is it easy to use? If I buy this device would my wife ever use it or is it too complicated?

Are you actually making these devices yourself? If I were hand making these my starting point would be to sell to friends so I could iterate on the whole thing. There are a lot of people on here talking about ads and marketing but honestly, hustle is how you get started.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by konschubert on Thursday May 12, 2022 @04:00PM (#31359486)
Nono, I am very grateful for your feedback! If my website is bad it means that it can be improved and then my conversions will go app and that's great news!

I don't define myself by my design skills so you didn't hurt any feelings :D

I am a bit wary of using Shopify for landing pages because I'm worried it will make it feel even more like a dropshipping enterprise...

But maybe that's the smaller problem if at least my website looks good then!

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by cercatrova on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:35PM (#31359210)
Make a website with an online builder and use their templates. For example:

- Webflow: https://webflow.com/templates

- SquareSpace: https://www.squarespace.com/templates

- Shopify: https://themes.shopify.com/

I'd recommend Shopify, and a minimalist, light theme such as the one below, since your product is made of light wood.

https://themes.shopify.com/themes/craft/styles/default?surfa...

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by konschubert on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:50PM (#31359376)
I already use shopify for the shop page, https://shop.invisible-computers.com/products/invisible-cale...

But I’ve been wary of using it for the whole website since I didn’t want my whole page structure and content coupled to shopify.

And I didn’t want it all to feel like a shopify store.

But maybe that was a bad priority and I should just get over it.

Thanks for the tip with the theme, btw

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by cercatrova on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:59PM (#31359470)
Yeah, at risk of sounding brash, I do think you should "get over it" as your main priority is to sell items, not to build a well-structured website in HTML. The latter is ancillary, merely a means to an end.
Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by Anapologetos on Friday May 13, 2022 @11:04AM (#31368583)
'Yeah, your website sucks.'

I was expecting some geocities crap. From what I see, the landing page is clear, concise and shows me the relevant info I'm looking for.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by openknot on Thursday May 12, 2022 @11:37AM (#31355700)
Twitter ads are widely seen as ineffective versus other advertising channels (to verify for yourself, you can check r/PPC, r/marketing, and other subreddits via a site:reddit.com Google search). Results are likely lower due to poorer analytics, which translates to your ads not appearing to the most relevant people.

Google Search Ads and Facebook/Instagram ads are seen as more effective in comparison (results are likely higher as Facebook/Meta are relatively better at analytics, so advertisements appear to more relevant people).

In addition, $50 is not a lot to spend on an ad campaign. It generally takes a higher number of advertisement views by the same person (preferably across different websites and channels) to produce an intended result.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by willcipriano on Thursday May 12, 2022 @01:38PM (#31357396)
Let's say you are a guy in a basement spending your own money. What is the minimum spend that you see for advertising to be at all effective?
Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by openknot on Thursday May 12, 2022 @11:43PM (#31363064)
It depends on what you’re selling, but roughly $500 per month is seen as solid on the r/PPC forum (that is, no major objections when brought up), with $100 a month as not outrageous (especially as a starting point). My assumption is that the forum is credible and not astroturfed (which seems fairly reasonable from intuition).

I wish there were a scientific study to lean on as a more credible source. I personally don’t have direct experience for budgets smaller than $1,000 a month, back when I did work with some non-profits.

Roughly $100 a month sounds plausibly viable at the lowest uncomfortable end with skill, but you also need that skill in graphic design to make an effective ad, persuasive writing, and a good idea of how to target the right audience. That perspective also costs time to learn from books and/or money if outsourced.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by sofixa on Thursday May 12, 2022 @08:34AM (#31353092)
That's precisely the thing i am going to be looking for soon. Yours looks pretty good, but i find the product page to be a bit lacking in detail and polish ( including typos like "come with wooden stand" instead of "comes"), which can be off-putting.
Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by Multiplayer on Thursday May 12, 2022 @11:26AM (#31355559)
I’ll buy one. Agree with the comments that you need to put a little time in to describe this thing in a lot more detail!

That said, I would love to have my calendar always just sitting there on my desk. This is the perfect item for anyone with adhd or similar. I would target that niche.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by konschubert on Thursday May 12, 2022 @01:07PM (#31356865)
I’ve heard that before from another customer, that it’s a good product for ADHD.
Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by samatman on Thursday May 12, 2022 @08:26AM (#31352989)
Looks like it's sold out, which is a pity, I enjoy the design. You have a typo on the front page, 'eletronig' for 'electronic'.
Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by konschubert on Thursday May 12, 2022 @09:08AM (#31353571)
I fixed the typo, thank you!

You can leave your email to be notified when it's back in stock.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by s1mon on Thursday May 12, 2022 @05:24PM (#31360282)
It's not clear who your product is for. "Everyone" is the wrong answer, BTW. If you try to make everyone happy, you usually end up making no one happy. It's super important to focus on actual user problems.

1. Is this solving a pain point the user has already?

2. Do they currently have some less-than-great solution in place?

3. Are they willing to pay for something which will solve their problem?

Looking at your product, I see a possible market, but it might need to be tuned (UX and/or marketing) to be successful.

A relative of mine needs 24/7 in-home care. There are a number of people involved and a decent number of Dr appointments etc to coordinate. The people involved with elder care are super low tech, but in her case, a shared visible calendar could be useful.

In general, the products for seniors and/or people with dementia or other disabilities tend to have horrible design and still aren't really suited to physical/cognitive challenges of the users and their caregivers. It's a niche, but one that could use a lot of developments.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by konschubert on Friday May 13, 2022 @10:23AM (#31368038)
Hi s1mon, thanks for your feedback.

I'd say I have two customer groups in mind:

1. Technologically open-minded people who have a bit of money and want an e-paper calendar in their office or for their family. They can buy my e paper screen and set it up with the mobile app in 2 minutes.

2. Developers who want to build their own e-paper application and need a platform to build it on. They can buy my device and use the image-url feature to display their own designs.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by bemmu on Thursday May 12, 2022 @11:46AM (#31355840)
You might be able to get some customers with that spend on average, but could have hit zero just from bad luck (randomness is clumpy). Customers can easily cost tens of dollars to acquire.

As an example, for my own subscription box service the cost to acquire a customer from YouTube ads was ~$49.

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by iratewizard on Saturday May 14, 2022 @10:28PM (#31384730)
Do you have any plans to bring Japan candy back to life?
Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by Nimitz14 on Thursday May 12, 2022 @05:58PM (#31360625)
I don't think the landing page is bad. Product seems cool. I don't agree with the people talking about extra features. The main issue I feel is that this is something only people with quite a bit of money and leisure can afford (because it's not solving a direct problem, it's just for convenience). So you need something on the page that will unconsciously persuade these people that it's cool. It's an upmarket product but the website doesn't advertise it as such.

Rather than doing online ads I think a promo vid with a progressive looking family / hipsters would be more effective. ;)

Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by hgomersall on Thursday May 12, 2022 @04:30PM (#31359804)
Hey, this is kind of cool! If only it supported caldav I might get one.
Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by happimess on Thursday May 12, 2022 @12:29PM (#31356397)
Rad product! Can I feed it arbitrary images/html/something?
Re:The saddest “just ship it” story (2020) by konschubert on Thursday May 12, 2022 @01:10PM (#31356894)
Yes, arbitrary images, you just have to specify the image url.

Here are the instructions, so you can see how it works: https://www.invisible-computers.com/invisible-calendar/image...