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Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by gitfan86 on Saturday May 07, 2022 @11:57AM (#31295617)
The word they use is Gaijin. It means foreigner and it is based on race.
Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by mortenjorck on Saturday May 07, 2022 @12:13PM (#31295879)
I’m no linguist or Japanese scholar, but it has long been interesting to me that the full word “gaikokujin” translates to “foreigner” (kanji for “outside,” “country,” “person”), while “gaijin” removes the “country” part, leaving something that could be read more fundamentally as simply “outsider”.
Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by timr on Saturday May 07, 2022 @02:20PM (#31297091)
Nerds dramatically exaggerate the significance of this. Yes, if you just look at the kanji, "outsider" is possibly the more literal translation, but at the end of the day what matters is what is in people's heads when they use the word, and not the word itself.

"Gaijin" gets played up in weeby debates -- by people who are looking for reasons to be offended -- as some hugely significant cultural deviation, but it's honestly more like "foreigner" in practical usage. That word can be incredibly rude, or completely innocuous in different contexts. As can 外人. It's more accurate to say that both words mean "foreigner", but 外国人 is the PC version that renders you safe from criticism.

(The irony, of course, is that no matter where you go you'll hear plenty of borderline racist policy talk with the sweetest of language.)

Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by dixie_land on Saturday May 07, 2022 @12:36PM (#31296124)
this. I think outsider is both a more literal translation, as well as an accurate reflection of the attitude
Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by devoutsalsa on Saturday May 07, 2022 @12:24PM (#31295994)
Is it like gringo in Spanish or bule in Indonesian?
Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by pkaye on Saturday May 07, 2022 @03:03PM (#31297494)
So maybe the Ninja Gaiden NES game should have been called Ninja Gaijin outside Japan?
Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by dqpb on Saturday May 07, 2022 @12:06PM (#31295760)
If someone has only one Japanese parent are they Gaijin?
Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by bigbigbiga on Saturday May 07, 2022 @12:08PM (#31295804)
No, they are called Hafu. Half Japanese.
Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by stjohnswarts on Saturday May 07, 2022 @01:29PM (#31296652)
Do you know if that is a japanese adoption of "half" or is it based on pure Japanese etymology and just a coincidence it's sounds similar?
Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by filoleg on Saturday May 07, 2022 @01:56PM (#31296889)
That one is a transliteration/adoption, as it is literally just ハ-フ (pronounced as "ha-fu"). The actual word for a half (like in "half a minute") would be 半 (pronounced as "han")
Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by EE84M3i on Saturday May 07, 2022 @01:54PM (#31296867)
It's written using katakana, which denotes that it's a loanword.
Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by Pet_Ant on Saturday May 07, 2022 @12:10PM (#31295817)
Re:Japan's population falls by record 644,000 to 125.5M in 2021 by random1233456 on Saturday May 07, 2022 @03:08PM (#31297548)
my wife is half japanese,has citizenship and has been called a gaijin so yes. the guy was being an asshole so everyone doesn’t necessarily feel that way. but they kinda do