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Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by user3939382 on Thursday May 05, 2022 @11:14PM (#31280895)
Gen Z isn’t the world. US lgbt pop is 7% according to Wikipedia and that sounds high to me, maybe college kids experimenting with their identity in response to woke culture. I’d guess it’s more like 3-4%
Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by dillondoyle on Thursday May 05, 2022 @11:51PM (#31281117)
Being gay or trans or non binary or whatever is not contagious. There is no reason for differing %, except the trend is very clear: The older the generation the fewer % are out.

It's because people are more supported and more able to come out.

More people aren't gay. More people are able to live their truth publicly.

* and based on your comment I will leap that you aren't a part of this community. The ugly truth is it is still very hard to come out for way too many. And dangerous. Look at the attacks on trans kids and talking about gender in schools.

Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by strken on Friday May 06, 2022 @02:58AM (#31282137)
How do you have any idea what's socially determined (a more neutral phrasing than "contagious") and what's not? It's not as if anyone's doing randomised controlled trials of RuPauls Drag Race exposure and gender self-identification.

I don't care why people do anything and I'm generally happy to let them do it, but come on. We have no idea what causes any given person's sexuality or identity to develop in the way it does. The most you can do is point to some correlations. Definitive statements like that are overconfident.

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Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by hikingsimulator on Friday May 06, 2022 @04:29AM (#31282794)
ROGD is a invention by an adjunct who asked parents on transphobic websites. It was never intended to represent the reality of transgender people. Please don't spread lies and misinformation -- you just have to perform a cursory glance online to find that out.

> Lisa Littman, as an adjunct assistant professor at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, created the term based on an online survey of parents on three anti-transgender websites who believed that their teenage children had suddenly manifested symptoms of gender dysphoria and begun identifying as transgender simultaneously with other children in their peer group. [1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria...

Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by fhklp on Friday May 06, 2022 @02:06PM (#31288142)
Have a read of this, it's a first-hand account of a detransitioner who says that Littman's description of ROGD fit her to a tee: https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name

She was captured by the ideology as a teenager and took testosterone for a year and a half before realising what had happened to her. And there are many others just like her.

I urge you to be more open-minded about this issue, and not baselessly accuse others of lies and misinformation, just for disagreeing with your opinion and having concerns about how children are being so negatively affected by this trend.

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Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by mccarvo on Friday May 06, 2022 @03:46AM (#31282487)
From context, I don't think they mean the phrase literally, it's really just a shibboleth of the progressive political movement in the US, with connotations of a person going public about a facet of themselves they had previously kept private due to fear of judgement from others or similar negative repercussions.
Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by hef19898 on Friday May 06, 2022 @02:57AM (#31282132)
Did you just actually compare coming out as LGBTQ and sexual identity to conspiracy theories? Come on, you can do better.
Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by emptysongglass on Friday May 06, 2022 @03:05AM (#31282189)
No, I did not. I am saying using language improperly invites the wrong kind of conclusions. Please respond to the strongest possible interpretation of my comment.

I have trans friends. We get along. I do not hate people for choosing an identity. That is silly.

I could get into the futility of binding ourselves to an identity (any identity) and how it perpetuates suffering but this is not the time or place.

I think it's important to also point out that comments like yours, drive-by tweet-sized derision, directly feed the outrage culture humanity faces today.

Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by Spivak on Thursday May 05, 2022 @11:21PM (#31280939)
Oh come on, are you really going to look up data about populations expecting it to be low, and then because it doesn’t conform to your world view make up some reason why it must be wrong?

And the point about Gen Z is that this is where we’re heading. Millennials are 10% lgbt and growing, Gen Z is around lgbt 20% and growing. My all time favorite concert was Girl in Red who sold out a 5000 person venue in less than 30 minutes packed with young queer women in a red state. This is way way bigger than casual experimenting in college.

Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by Geonode on Friday May 06, 2022 @09:57AM (#31285132)
All social justice movements have a trend phase, unfortunately this one is leading to life altering surgeries and suicides.
Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by Spivak on Friday May 06, 2022 @11:16AM (#31286157)
This shit is exhausting, no it isn't. It feels like it is because it's being talked about more.

1. You cannot just decide you want GRS. Not only is the process itself expensive and long, even starting the process requires two separate psych evals and a doctor sign off and you have be fully socially transitioned for at least a year.

2. The people who make it through the process commit suicide less.

> Those who wanted, and subsequently received, hormone therapy and/or surgical care had a substantially lower prevalence of past-year suicide thoughts and attempts than those who wanted hormone therapy and surgical care and did not receive them.

> Those who had “de-transitioned” at some point, meaning having gone back to living according to their sex assigned at birth, were significantly more likely to report suicide thoughts and attempts, both past-year and lifetime, than those who had never “de-transitioned.” Nearly 12 percent of those who “de-transitioned” attempted suicide in the past year compared to 6.7 percent of those who have not “de-transitioned.”

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/suicidal...

Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by jibberst on Friday May 06, 2022 @02:30PM (#31288348)
What about this then: https://4w.pub/tiktok-gender-doctor-per-breast-removal-on-13...

Or this: https://thefederalist.com/2018/09/12/u-s-doctors-performing-...

And this: https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/27768/in-the-usa-kids-wi...

You're describing how this process used to work, not how it is now. It's morphed into a large-scale medical experiment on vulnerable children.

Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by dillondoyle on Friday May 06, 2022 @04:19PM (#31289240)
This is so backwards, wrong, dangerous. And crazy that it is a comment on this forum.
Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by solarhoma on Saturday May 07, 2022 @07:42AM (#31293770)
>This is so backwards, wrong, dangerous.

We have differing standards of backwards, wrong , and dangerous. Are either of us right? I think we are right in our own heads because we are individually seeing different perspectives. But the important part is to not silence one’s ability to discuss such ideas.

Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by dillondoyle on Thursday May 05, 2022 @11:53PM (#31281130)
Good concert!?
Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by Spivak on Friday May 06, 2022 @08:56AM (#31284566)
Look, I like music and just used it as an example of something that simply couldn’t happen two generations ago. The idea that artists like her can sell out shows in every city to a fanbase of queer women used to be unheard of.

If you want a less niche example my hometown’s pride used to be less than 1000 people in the 80’s and now is half a million.

Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by dillondoyle on Friday May 06, 2022 @04:20PM (#31289246)
I'm with you. I was genuinely asking.
Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by Spivak on Friday May 06, 2022 @09:26PM (#31291358)
In that case, hell yeah! She’s really funny and down to earth live. The whole crowd going nuts screaming “they’re so pretty it hurts” gave me so much life.

Sorry this thread is swinging so hard between folks who clearly have an axe to grind with the lgbt community and people who are shocked it’s still this bad in 2022 that I’m just defensive by default.

Re:Netflix’s big power clash and rivalries behind the crash by dillondoyle on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @02:40PM (#31330856)
Nice!

Yeah I just went to read comments (of course more crazy replies) after posting in the ACLU thread.

I was shocked again at the crap people on this forum are writing in that thread too.

Maybe you're right I shouldn't be shocked anymore. I've always known, but ben lucky enough not to have to experience very much, of the hate.

But it just feels so much worse. Not just on queer ness but on anything not white-male christian.

Or at least it's more vocal. Like why do these people feel the need to write this stream of crap on hacker news....

I can't decide which or both of these: - Emboldened by leaders & media to allow them to speak out already held beliefs (the silent majority except that's a euphemism). - This craziness has actually shifted, been created, and or amplified. Not just on LGBTQ issues. look at the ACLU thread (re lots of white males talking about overt discrimination because of diversity inclusion training and even more crazy q stuff like fbi false flagged jan 6 wth).

I think it's both.

On this topic for instance I very much doubt people knew let alone cared about trans girls playing on their high school sports team before we made progress to the point there were out trans high school girls and then it became a political punching bag. And now as a result some states and politicians are emboldened to pass dangerous laws that will cost even more lives.